will carbon tax cost Australian jobs??

[Q.]

[straight talker]

listen to what gillard/swan/garnaut/combet are saying and they will have you believe it will be the best thing since sliced bread! 9 out of 10 families will be better off so they say how could you argue with them??

[Psyber]

"What if scientists had the same standards as pundits?"

SOME OF THEM DO!
I've posted examples of the recent furore in medical research about the manipulation of data in the pursuit of grants.
Several papers published in what are, theoretically, major, adequately peer reviewed, medical journals have since been retracted by the journals.

You can't tell me it only happens in medical research.

[straight talker]

I and plenty of others are tipping it will cost plenty of jobs!

[Leaping Lindner]

How many jobs will Gay Marriage cost Australia????

http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-n ... 61926.html

[straight talker]

dont know do you?? couldnt find anything on the link you put up?

[straight talker]

http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://w ... S-Zc3wa4UQ

[redandblack]

Modelling which doesn't take into account the thousands of jobs created by the billions of dollars to go into renewable energy.

st, if you'd been following this, you should have known that.

[Psyber]

Modelling which doesn't take into account the thousands of jobs created by the billions of dollars to go into renewable energy.
st, if you'd been following this, you should have known that.

As I've said before, I suspect most of those jobs will be in brokering and buying carbon credits whereby we pay people overseas to plant trees to offset the emissions we don't actually reduce very much.
Remember Mike Young's figures for Denmark versus France, I've posted elsewhere..
Denmark, which took the route we propose, 650 gm CO2 per KWh, France 90 gm per KWh.

[straight talker]

R&B cmon thousands of jobs in re-newable energy and modelling cmon mate are you for real? How do you know that theres going to be thousands of jobs created?? How many have been created since the announcement of the carbon tax?? Surely that would all be in place?? Where are the jobs going to be?? Or are you just going on what gillard/combet/swan/garnaut have been telling you?

[redandblack]

How do I know there will be thousands of jobs created?

The same as you know there will be thousands of jobs lost

[redandblack]

Oh, if you want something to back it up, how about this from a Liberal Government

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z1VWLRxmVS

This is the bit I really like


But the press statement issued by O’Farrell and Baird when they released the modelling and Treasury’s assessment does more to scare than inform.

Even though the Premier and the Treasurer live in Sydney, work here and represent electorates here, they didn’t feel the need to mention what the modelling showed about the country’s biggest city – 6400 jobs more jobs by 2020, 17,600 more by 2030 and higher output than under the “business as usual” scenario without a carbon tax.

Instead, their statement emphasises most negative regional outcomes – in the Hunter and Illawarra – and ignored favourable affects in other parts of the state. The statement even threw in a scary-sounding but unrepresentative example of how household power bills will rise under the carbon tax.

Leading economist, John Quiggin, who was this year honoured with the Distinguished Fellow Award by the Economics Society of Australia, described the statement as “dishonest and way over the top.”

[Psyber]

How do I know there will be thousands of jobs created?
The same as you know there will be thousands of jobs lost

So you are both spreading bull manure...

[straight talker]

that was my whole point that its ok for you to believe your side of things but not others! so really no-one knows whats going to happen but we will be paying huge taxes for things that might not even happen or it may? gosh they cant even get the weather predictions correct next week let alone in 100 years time!

[Sojourner]

Clearly there is a market for Solar Panels, yet there are plenty of them being made in China at present, so start up costs for companies to compete with that are going to be difficult - not impossible but if people think that job creation is just going to fall in their lap they are mistaken.

One interesting fact is that behind China, Germany are the second largest growing economy in local manufacturing through innovation, we can do it here if we are prepared to put in the investment and here is the rub, the German Government does indeed invest super funds and so on into growing their local manufacturing industry whilst we seem to always look for private investment which is going backwards, hence a more socialist approach clearly is going to be the way out of it.

Here is a suggestion, it was stated that to order a new Tram the delivery time is two years from the only two manufacturers in Europe. I think we have plenty of capacity in South Australia for the third plant to be in Tonsley SA. BHP Steel Chassis and Frames, local engineering - Custom Coaches at Regency Park seem to be doing a pretty good job of making Trans Adelaide Buses, it cant be a huge jump to a tram. What we would need to do would be to invest the funds into the Tonsley site and convert the Tonsley line to a tram way. Get several components made by suppliers in Victoria and it gives the Vic government a reason to buy their trams locally. Core group of orders then competition on the international level I feel would be quite a success for SA.

[Dog_ger]

Heard some rumours,

Advertiser is thinking about going off shore to India of all places.

Flying the papers in cheaper than they can produce them here.

Bye Bye GMH.......

The Aussie icon cannot keep going in our financial climate.

[straight talker]

Heard some rumours,

Advertiser is thinking about going off shore to India of all places.

Flying the papers in cheaper than they can produce them here.

Bye Bye GMH.......

The Aussie icon cannot keep going in our financial climate.

a lot of people on this site doesnt think companies will go overseas or workers will lose there jobs because julia/swan/combet and co said so but this is only the beginning there will be plenty more to follow.

[redandblack]

What's that 'rumour' got to do with the carbon tax

[straight talker]

What's that 'rumour' got to do with the carbon tax

il try and be really nice R&B as i dont want to get in trouble again! but i guess he thinks it may have something to do when the carbon tax lobs on our doorstep they might be getting in early. and getting out of oz so they can afford to run the company.

[RustyCage]

Heard some rumours,

Advertiser is thinking about going off shore to India of all places.

Flying the papers in cheaper than they can produce them here.

How long will it take to fly the papers here?