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Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:44 pm**

Jimmy_041 wrote:The top 10 countries are responsible for over 70% of the emissions - what are they doing about it?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-10/11/c_131183538.htm

The State Council, or China's cabinet, announced on Monday it will tax all resource products starting Nov. 1, extending the resource tax on domestic sales of crude oil and natural gas from some regions to the entire country.

The list of taxable resources widened from crude oil and natural gas to coal, rare earth, salt and metal from Nov. 1, according to the country's revised resource tax regulations.

The expansion of the resource tax is part of China's efforts to encourage energy conservancy and limit environmental damage.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:05 pm**

best on hill wrote:im just watching the news on ABC 24 and the carbon tax has been passed through the lower house!

whether you are from the left or the right your thoughts!

It was reported on 5AA that when the vote came through as yes that the Labor politicians began cheering and backslapping one another. I agree that action should be taken on pollution and planting trees and so on, yet I dont agree with our Prime Minister promising voters that there would be no Carbon Tax then introducing one anyway. This tax should have been put to the people as the GST was and I think its a very likely possibility that when the next federal election is held that Labor will get absolutley smashed at the ballot box as they were in NSW.

Will be interesting to see who is cheering and backslapping one another on the upcoming election night, I suspect that when its a landslide to the Lib/Nat coaltion that it wont be as much a happy occassion as today was for the ALP.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:15 pm**

Quichey wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:The top 10 countries are responsible for over 70% of the emissions - what are they doing about it?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-10/11/c_131183538.htm

The State Council, or China's cabinet, announced on Monday it will tax all resource products starting Nov. 1, extending the resource tax on domestic sales of crude oil and natural gas from some regions to the entire country.

The list of taxable resources widened from crude oil and natural gas to coal, rare earth, salt and metal from Nov. 1, according to the country's revised resource tax regulations.

The expansion of the resource tax is part of China's efforts to encourage energy conservancy and limit environmental damage.

Why would China have to act on carbon emissons - they are only the 78th ranked polluter per capita!

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:37 pm**

Australia AUD23 per tonne in 2012
China 20 yuan or AUD3.17 per tonne in 2012

Hey, but what the heck, they are, after all, a developing nation so why shouldn't we give the biggest polluter on earth a leg up.

In the past 2 years, their foreign reserves have gone from USD2,000b to USD3,000b and their gold reserves are at about USD67b and rising steadily
In time, this developing nation will own the developed nations.

But you have to hand it to them, for communists, they make darn good capitalists, and even better nationalists as their industry goes from strength to strength at the expense of us dumb ar$e responsible countries

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:27 pm**

best on hill wrote:im just watching the news on ABC 24 and the carbon tax has been passed through the lower house!

whether you are from the left or the right your thoughts!

Utterly disgraceful !!!

To cheer and pat each others back as well just goes to show how arrogant this current government is !!!

Tax the people of Australia and cheer.... Good one!!!

The good thing about it is they will be gone in a blink of an eye.

One of the most shameful days in Australian politics.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:59 pm**

Quichey wrote:
best on hill wrote:im just watching the news on ABC 24 and the carbon tax has been passed through the lower house!

whether you are from the left or the right your thoughts!

Put on your helmets, the sky is about to fall in...

Luckily the earth is flat, and most of the sky will fall over the edges.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:02 pm**

southee wrote:
best on hill wrote:im just watching the news on ABC 24 and the carbon tax has been passed through the lower house!

whether you are from the left or the right your thoughts!

Utterly disgraceful !!!

To cheer and pat each others back as well just goes to show how arrogant this current government is !!!

Tax the people of Australia and cheer.... Good one!!!

The good thing about it is they will be gone in a blink of an eye.

One of the most shameful days in Australian politics.

The Menzies Government decision to send 19 year olds (who couldn't vote) to a "war" that was unwinnable is still the high water mark in that regard.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:21 pm**

Trumped by the Howard governments insistence that it was necessary to join a war that killed hundreds of thoiusands of innocent people to get rid of those weapons of mass destruction.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:30 pm**

It's not a great sign that war is all that can be found.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:44 pm**

smac wrote:It's not a great sign that war is all that can be found.

Children Overboard
Pacific Solution
Malaysian Solution
Haneef
Hicks
Abu Ghraib
Anti-terror legislation
Cyber crime legislation

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:35 pm**

Leaping Lindner wrote:
southee wrote:
best on hill wrote:im just watching the news on ABC 24 and the carbon tax has been passed through the lower house!

whether you are from the left or the right your thoughts!

Utterly disgraceful !!!

To cheer and pat each others back as well just goes to show how arrogant this current government is !!!

Tax the people of Australia and cheer.... Good one!!!

The good thing about it is they will be gone in a blink of an eye.

One of the most shameful days in Australian politics.

The Menzies Government decision to send 19 year olds (who couldn't vote) to a "war" that was unwinnable is still the high water mark in that regard.

I used "one of" ...please put it in context.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:59 pm**

southee wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:
southee wrote:
best on hill wrote:im just watching the news on ABC 24 and the carbon tax has been passed through the lower house!

whether you are from the left or the right your thoughts!

Utterly disgraceful !!!

To cheer and pat each others back as well just goes to show how arrogant this current government is !!!

Tax the people of Australia and cheer.... Good one!!!

The good thing about it is they will be gone in a blink of an eye.

One of the most shameful days in Australian politics.

The Menzies Government decision to send 19 year olds (who couldn't vote) to a "war" that was unwinnable is still the high water mark in that regard.

I used "one of" ...please put it in context.

Hyperbolic context.

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:21 am**

day 1 captains log- just went outside and looked up and was quite surprised to see the sky still intact, i thought by now it may have started to fall. i will check tomorrow and keep you updated.

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:42 pm**

best on hill wrote:day 1 captains log- just went outside and looked up and was quite surprised to see the sky still intact, i thought by now it may have started to fall. i will check tomorrow and keep you updated.

its very dark here .... oops I just realised I had my eyes closed ... phew everything still ok

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:40 pm**

Day 2 captains log: Brown still safely in charge. Hansen-Young getting even more stupid by the day. Gillard struggling, Albanese no idea. Note to self - Buy more beer

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:16 pm**

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLUcP7I ... detailpage

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNYb3XW ... re=related

Shame, Shame, Shame. Where are you Hinch.... :shock:

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:27 am**

Dog_ger wrote:1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLUcP7I ... detailpage

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNYb3XW ... re=related

Shame, Shame, Shame. Where are you Hinch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:28 am**

The ALP stalwarts will say that of course an opinion peace in the Wall Street Journal would say this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... carbon+Tax
But one could say that about their favoured sources too and the WSL is a mainstream publication.

I put this up not as an argument against making an attempt to reduce our pollution anyway, but against a short-sighted, ineffective, and tokenist, method.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:45 am**

Short-sighted, ineffective and tokenist?

Mr Abbott's Direct Action plan, I presume

Oh, no problems about the Wall Street Journal, mate, we trust Mr Murdoch not to be biased

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:33 pm**

redandblack wrote:Short-sighted, ineffective and tokenist?
Mr Abbott's Direct Action plan, I presume
Oh, no problems about the Wall Street Journal, mate, we trust Mr Murdoch not to be biased

I don't think much of the Abbott plan either, so I'm happy to apply the description to both.
(And the Murdoch press is not always wrong..)

As I've said before, both the Greens and the Democrats offered better Carbon policies before the last election.
But I'd like them to not get totally fixated on Carbon and consider other types of pollution too.
I'd also like them to be prepared to at least look at modern nuclear options, which are melt down proof, and offer much shorter waste half-lives.

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