by PatowalongaPirate » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:29 pm
by bennymacca » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:32 pm
cracka wrote:Psyber wrote:shoe boy wrote:Psyber wrote:The PM is hamstrung by trying to avoid a confrontation between the LP's conservatives and progressives which could split the Liberal Party and play into the ALP's hands. His only solution is an overwhelming demonstration of public opinion ( whether it be by plebiscite or postal survey) that will put pressure on the conservative element to go along with the pubic view.
The ALP wants to delay any such result to save the issue for use as a focus in the next federal election, and to hope to use any division within the LP to make sure they win office, so they don't support either option that is possible for the LP.
Oh please , the PM lacks leadership and doesn't have a spine!
As for the ALP , same sex marriage would be sorted and people could freely marry if that was their want.
As I said Turnbull is trying to pull his Conservatives into line with public pressure - doing anything else would be political suicide - not "spine".
Tackling the conservatives head on without demonstrating public opinion to them would doom the "Yes" vote given that their are some ALP MPs and cross-benchers leaning toward voting "No" too.
Billy boy has an unstated objective - he is only focussed on the next election and will use anything and anyone to try to win that even if it means delaying gay marriage to use it as an issue at that next election
There is a lot of distortion of reality going on, based on prejudice and political self-interest, and, yes, a plebiscite or survey will give some of the those opposing gay marriage a platform, but an overwhelming "Yes" vote via some form of public forum will take the whole issue off the back-burner and pull some politicians into line when the vote comes in parliament. Without that we could have a free vote in parliament with no definitive outcome and a lot more stalling.
But Billy would then have his next election issue.
If Shorten was that adamant it the law should be changed he should come out & say they'll make it policy if elected. He wont though just in case the no vote wins.
by heater31 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:38 pm
PatowalongaPirate wrote:
I hope they don't do similar votes on human rights issues or the treatment of our indigenous population.
by cracka » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:14 pm
Q. wrote:This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.cracka wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them
I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.
by Q. » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:17 pm
Are you joking? Look harder.cracka wrote:Q. wrote:This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.cracka wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them
I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.
I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.
by cracka » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:21 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.cracka wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them
I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.
I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.
Q. wrote:Are you joking? Look harder.
by Psyber » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:50 pm
by Magellan » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:56 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:This 'bullying' is a construct of the no-vote.cracka wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:I am STILL waiting for someone who is voting No to tell me how two people getting married directly affects them
I've got a bad feeling that the no vote is going to get up because of the bullying campaign the yes people are running.
I haven't heard of any yes campaign people getting death threats or having their businesses burnt to the ground though.
by MW » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:12 pm
by Q. » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:24 pm
Not a great comparison. He lost the popular vote and, well, this is a popular vote.MW wrote:Reckon the no vote will win same way Trump got in. A lot of yes supporters won't vote assuming they'll just get up.
by MW » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:28 pm
by Q. » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:43 pm
Doubtful. Latest polls showing 58% in favourMW wrote:Either way the no vote will win
by heater31 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm
Q. wrote:Doubtful. Latest polls showing 58% in favourMW wrote:Either way the no vote will win
by Jase » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm
by Q. » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:59 pm
Ten percent are undecided... Even if they all fall to the no vote, it won't be enoughheater31 wrote:Q. wrote:Doubtful. Latest polls showing 58% in favourMW wrote:Either way the no vote will win
but falling.....which for the yes camp would be concerning
by Q. » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:00 pm
Polling is anonymousJase wrote:I do wonder how many no voters that are "hiding". What I mean is, they plan to vote no, but when people ask them they will say yes, just to keep the peace...
Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...
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by heater31 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:09 pm
Jase wrote:
Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...
by Jase » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:18 pm
Fair enough then... [emoji106]Q. wrote:Polling is anonymousJase wrote:I do wonder how many no voters that are "hiding". What I mean is, they plan to vote no, but when people ask them they will say yes, just to keep the peace...
Hey I'm voting yes, but I'm sure there are others who plan to vote no but don't want any agro...
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by cracka » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:22 pm
bennymacca wrote:cracka wrote:If Shorten was that adamant it the law should be changed he should come out & say they'll make it policy if elected. He wont though just in case the no vote wins.
Um shorten has already said it will be policy
by MW » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:51 pm
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