Gillard should go!

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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Gozu » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:36 pm

Mad Mat wrote:Out of interest, how many died as a result of what happened at the Fukushima power plant?


None yet.

There were no deaths or serious injuries due to direct radiation exposures, but a few of the plant's workers were severely injured or killed by the disaster conditions resulting from the earthquake. At least six workers have exceeded lifetime legal limits for radiation and more than 300 have received significant radiation doses. Future cancer deaths due to accumulated radiation exposures in the population living near Fukushima have been estimated to be between 100 and 1,000. Fear of ionizing radiation could have long-term psychological effects on a large portion of the population in the contaminated areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_disaster

Keep in mind the Chernobyl diaster:

Estimates of the number of deaths potentially resulting from the accident vary enormously: Thirty one deaths are directly attributed to the accident, all among the reactor staff and emergency workers.[10] A UNSCEAR report places the total confirmed deaths from radiation at 64 as of 2008. The World Health Organization (WHO) suggests it could reach 4,000 civilian deaths, a figure which does not include military clean-up worker casualties.[11] A 2006 report predicted 30,000 to 60,000 cancer deaths as a result of Chernobyl fallout.[12] A Greenpeace report puts this figure at 200,000 or more.[13] A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl;[14] this estimate has been criticized as "rather science fiction than science" however.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sojourner » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:48 pm

Germany is shutting down their Nuclear Plants because they are going to be importing Nuclear Energy from Russia....

Comparing Chernobyl to a modern Nuclear Plant Gozu is much like comparing your Mum's Austin 1800 to a Lexus. Vastly different plants with very different safety mechanisms. The engine in the Austin might put out 50kw for 12L/100ks, the Lexus might put out 300KW for the same and be far safer in a head on collision between both also!
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Gozu » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:39 am

Sojourner wrote:Germany is shutting down their Nuclear Plants because they are going to be importing Nuclear Energy from Russia....

Comparing Chernobyl to a modern Nuclear Plant Gozu is much like comparing your Mum's Austin 1800 to a Lexus. Vastly different plants with very different safety mechanisms. The engine in the Austin might put out 50kw for 12L/100ks, the Lexus might put out 300KW for the same and be far safer in a head on collision between both also!


Go and give that cute analogy to the people in Fukushima who used to live in the 30km exclusion zone, the most contaminated parts of it now uninhabitable for the next three decades.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Psyber » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:48 am

Gozu wrote:Psyber, Barry Brook is a nuclear power defender/apologist (boy was his face red after Fukushima) and aside from what to do with all the waste the cost of decommissioning alone makes nuclear power unfeasible economically.

As Mike Young, Chair of the Environment Institute, pointed out recently, Fukushima was overdue for decommissioning by 3 years, and was old technology.
It still only melted down because none of the three back up diesel generators would start because they had not been maintained.

Modern nuclear plants are not so expensive to decommission because of the much shorter half life of radioactivity, and because Thorium plants for example cannot melt down and do not need massive concrete containment designs. And, even with the decommissioning costs you refer too, you have to balance that with the over-engineeering costs to have any sort of adequate base load capacity stored if relying on "renewables".

Remember, France has not had a dangerous nuclear situation in 20 years, even with the older technology, and now emits only 90 gm of CO2 for each kWhour of energy generated.
Denmark, which went big on "renewables" still emits 650 gm of CO2 per kWhour.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby fish » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:50 pm

southee wrote:
Booney wrote:Countering the argument that one politician lied ( Gillard ) with the fact that they all do ( Hawke, Bush etc etc ) is futile.

Gillard lied, flat out lied about the Carbon Tax and is not being held accountable for doing so.

No wonder I'm such a cynical bastard when it comes to these spineless puppets.
When she speaks now...it is very hard to really take her seriously. Its all spin and most probably BS.
The same goes for Tony too I suppose...

http://www.safooty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1330071#p1330071
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby JohnnyG » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:46 pm

fish wrote:
southee wrote:
Booney wrote:Countering the argument that one politician lied ( Gillard ) with the fact that they all do ( Hawke, Bush etc etc ) is futile.

Gillard lied, flat out lied about the Carbon Tax and is not being held accountable for doing so.

No wonder I'm such a cynical bastard when it comes to these spineless puppets.
When she speaks now...it is very hard to really take her seriously. Its all spin and most probably BS.
The same goes for Tony too I suppose...

http://www.safooty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1330071#p1330071



Hmmm .... not the same..... Tony is the king of spin, bs, lies, distortions.......
He is the most detestable politician i have ever seen.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:28 pm

I'm still of the view that they all find truth expendable
I only wish they were subject to the Competition and Consumer Act 2010

To be perfectly honest about the Gillard "Lie", I think you have to look at the statement in context.
The statement was made whilst she was campaigning to win the election with an outright majority.
Once their only option was to form a minority government, pretty much all of their proposals are suddenly redundant.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby southee » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:19 pm

More broken promises by the Queen Bee of "lies".......(Pokie Reform)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6245320362

I was going to start a new thread by thought I would keep to the topic heading above.....

Another "nail" in her polictical coffin. :lol:
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Hondo » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:56 pm

I thought the public mood was against these pokie reforms anyway?

Also, she gets to show she isn't always beholden to the independents

I'm not sure this will do her or Labor much damage
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby southee » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:02 pm

Hondo wrote:I thought the public mood was against these pokie reforms anyway?

Also, she gets to show she isn't always beholden to the independents

I'm not sure this will do her or Labor much damage


Well she said she was for them...now she's against them....I cant work out where she stands Hondo. :?
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sojourner » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:26 pm

Not sure if I was Julia Gillard that I would be happy to swap Wilike for Slipper, Slipper has already stated that he is a conservative and will be voting accordingly. Wilkie she can at least excersize some control over in return for favours such as the Royal Hobart Hospital rebuild and Pokies Reforms and so on.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Hondo » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:27 pm

On the radio news story I heard the reason Labor were backing away from the reforms was because they know the upper house won't pass the legislation, regardless of whether Labor are for or against it.

The article quotes Bob Brown as being against the reforms.

If the upper house won't pass the reforms then I support not wasting Government time debating it in the lower house.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby dedja » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:39 pm

Well the occupants of the tent embassy think she should go as well ...
Dunno, I’m just an idiot.

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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:21 pm

Hondo wrote:On the radio news story I heard the reason Labor were backing away from the reforms was because they know the upper house won't pass the legislation, regardless of whether Labor are for or against it.

The article quotes Bob Brown as being against the reforms.

If the upper house won't pass the reforms then I support not wasting Government time debating it in the lower house.


Too bad she doesn't try to find a compromise like she did with the carbon tax

Get real - the Pubs & Clubs Associations have told her they'll pull all funding for Labor if she does it.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby dedja » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:24 pm

And if that excuse is true, she shouldn't have made the deal with Wilkie in the first place.

Clearly a political survival agreement and Wilkie was too wet behind the ears to realise he'd been used.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Gozu » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:29 pm

Not a good look our Prime Minister cowering in fear being protected by security guards:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/gillard-a ... 6254435221
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:37 pm

Agree with Abbott. Time to move them on.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby southee » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:42 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Agree with Abbott. Time to move them on.


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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby dedja » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:27 pm

Just bring in the Tasmanian's to sort out the tent embassy ... apparently they did something similar a while ago
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:32 pm

I'm gonna steal an aboriginal's thong, we can swap hostages.
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