Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[southee]

Carr is just plain embarrassing!!!

[scoob]

http://www.news.com.au/national/an-asyl ... 6404645552

[Sky Pilot]

Carr is just plain embarrassing!!!

He's a drop kick of sorts. Well meaning and ambitious but out of his league at this level.

[Psyber]

where do the majority of boats come from?? Indonesia??

why dont we work with the indonesian govt and help them control their waters which will then minimise the boats leaving to australia from that location and that can be done wherever the boats are leaving from. gotta be better to do that then let them get here and lock em up for years on end on taxpayers money.

if it was inhumane under the Howard years - and i am no fan of howard generally - but i like it, bring it back. stop them coming, it doesnt matter how we stop them, just stop them. its for their benefit moreso then ours. because they spend thousands of $$$$$$$$$$$$ so they would be much better investing that into migrating through legal channels or try another country!

I suspect too many Indonesian officials are making money out of helping the people smugglers run their business to have any motivation to stop it.
I also suspect there needs to have been some corruption in Australia to enable the smugglers to settle and set up in Australia itself.

[Psyber]

What?
So fleeing a country that has been invaded, crossing undetected by foot over several borders of countries who aren't signatories to the refugee convention while trying to feed a wife and kids, isn't helping yourself?
Contrary to popular belief, it isn't easy getting to Indonesia, let alone Australia, and it is in fact dangerous and very difficult. Many die or are imprisoned before they even get to Indonesia.
Funny how people don't seem to give a shit about asylum seekers who arrive by plane, or illegal immigrants who overstay their work visas.

Presumably some of the countries they cross would be safe places to settle rather than continue the travel, even if that are not signatories to the piece of paper.
And some of them would be more culturally compatible and therefore more comfortable.

So, what provides the motivation to take more risks?
Is it some fantasy of a land of free milk and honey?

[Grahaml]

Very, very few boat people these days get onto that final boat in fear of their lives. They do it because the life is better. That is not a genuine refugee. I don't doubt many of the people leave their original countries as legitimate refugees but once they are out of danger then the job should be considered done.

On another note, the Greens leader was on the news tonight making a fool of herself. Saying they should have a round table discussion with all options on the table and those involved forced to abide by the decision "like the climate change discussion". Not sure what planet she's on but that discussion had the final result determined before talks started. Anyone wanting to join in agreed to come up with a price on carbon. I'm sorry, but that isn't being open minded at all. It would be like having a round table where they had to come up with a solution that involved the Malaysia solution.

Ultimately, I think the Nauru option is the best. We have more control than with the Malaysia deal and it has been shown to work. I understand what the government wanted to do with Malaysia, but it just won't happen. It's Labor's job to govern. They claimed to be able to govern and that is why Gillard is the PM and Abbott is not. We all know the next election result, in just over a year Nauru will be our solution. What would be wrong with Labor realising that bringing it forward 12 months?

Also, why is it seemingly the coalition the media and the public expect to give ground. The Greens are in control of the cross benches and have given Labor their vote in the lower house to enable them to form government. Yet we have Milne asking for the other parties to compromise, but she won't! She also gets to operate without the media or public asking the same questions of her they do of the bigger parties. She is, after all, equally as responsible for no agreement as anyone. Had she just agreed to either party's solution, it would get through.

[Jimmy_041]

Agreed GL
I have constantly said, whether people like it or not, the Government have politicised this issue by blaming the Coalition
They could crack a deal with the Greens and get it done in 24 hours, so why do they continually criticise the Coalition and not the Greens?
Why not? Because they need them to stay in power.
Labor think this is the Coalition's Achilles heel.
They just don't realise the majority of Australians want their borders properly protected and a proper refugee programme in place.
The fact that they let people smugglers in as refugees just reinforces how incompetent they are on this problem.

[Q.]

Very, very few boat people these days get onto that final boat in fear of their lives. They do it because the life is better. That is not a genuine refugee. I don't doubt many of the people leave their original countries as legitimate refugees but once they are out of danger then the job should be considered done.

This is just plain wrong.

The majority are determined to be genuine refugees as classed by the 1951 Refugee Convention. They are no less deserving of that status than those who arrive by plane.

[Q.]

What?
So fleeing a country that has been invaded, crossing undetected by foot over several borders of countries who aren't signatories to the refugee convention while trying to feed a wife and kids, isn't helping yourself?
Contrary to popular belief, it isn't easy getting to Indonesia, let alone Australia, and it is in fact dangerous and very difficult. Many die or are imprisoned before they even get to Indonesia.
Funny how people don't seem to give a shit about asylum seekers who arrive by plane, or illegal immigrants who overstay their work visas.

Presumably some of the countries they cross would be safe places to settle rather than continue the travel, even if that are not signatories to the piece of paper.
And some of them would be more culturally compatible and therefore more comfortable.

No and no.

They are very vulnerable to exploitation and imprisonment by staying in countries that are not signatories to the Refugee Convention.

[scoob]

What?
So fleeing a country that has been invaded, crossing undetected by foot over several borders of countries who aren't signatories to the refugee convention while trying to feed a wife and kids, isn't helping yourself?
Contrary to popular belief, it isn't easy getting to Indonesia, let alone Australia, and it is in fact dangerous and very difficult. Many die or are imprisoned before they even get to Indonesia.
Funny how people don't seem to give a shit about asylum seekers who arrive by plane, or illegal immigrants who overstay their work visas.

Presumably some of the countries they cross would be safe places to settle rather than continue the travel, even if that are not signatories to the piece of paper.
And some of them would be more culturally compatible and therefore more comfortable.

No and no.

They are very vulnerable to exploitation and imprisonment by staying in countries that are not signatories to the Refugee Convention.

So you are saying that there are no safe countries for them between, say Afghanistan and here? Or even within the same distance it takes them to travel here?

[Q.]

What?
So fleeing a country that has been invaded, crossing undetected by foot over several borders of countries who aren't signatories to the refugee convention while trying to feed a wife and kids, isn't helping yourself?
Contrary to popular belief, it isn't easy getting to Indonesia, let alone Australia, and it is in fact dangerous and very difficult. Many die or are imprisoned before they even get to Indonesia.
Funny how people don't seem to give a shit about asylum seekers who arrive by plane, or illegal immigrants who overstay their work visas.

Presumably some of the countries they cross would be safe places to settle rather than continue the travel, even if that are not signatories to the piece of paper.
And some of them would be more culturally compatible and therefore more comfortable.

No and no.

They are very vulnerable to exploitation and imprisonment by staying in countries that are not signatories to the Refugee Convention.

So you are saying that there are no safe countries for them between, say Afghanistan and here? Or even within the same distance it takes them to travel here?

Closest country that is a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention.

[scoob]

didnt answer my question... but thats ok...

Just out of interest what other countries are signatories 1951 Refugee Convention?

[Q.]

Define safe? Is being shovelled into a refugee camp safe? You ever seen or smelt a refugee camp? I'd be doing my best to get out too.

[Q.]

Sorry, I just re-read your question. There are heaps of countries that are signatories, Afghanistan is actually one of them. Australia is the closest to Malaysia.

[Jimmy_041]

What does it cost to go from the Middle East to Australia by boat if you want to illegally enter?

[Q.]

What does it cost to go from the Middle East to Australia by boat if you want to illegally enter?

Probably the same as a plane ticket.

[Jimmy_041]

Well, if as you say, its a shoe in, why not go in luxury?

[Q.]

Well, if as you say, its a shoe in, why not go in luxury?

To board a plane to Australia you need a valid passport and tourist visa.

[Q.]

So, what provides the motivation to take more risks?
Is it some fantasy of a land of free milk and honey?

The land of milk and honey? Presumably we are being flooded with refugees if indeed it is the pull factor you are referring too.

In 2011, ~4500 people arrived by boat out of a total of ~11500 onshore applications. There was over 15 million refugees that year. Boy, this land of milk and honey is really luring them in

[Jimmy_041]

Well, if as you say, its a shoe in, why not go in luxury?

To board a plane to Australia you need a valid passport and tourist visa.

So, they arrive legally, and then go illegal.
That's why people don't care about illegals arriving here by plane because HTF do you identify them?
They aren't illegal until they overstay. Then I give a hoot about them.
And just because they use a different system, doesn't mean the boaties deserve any better treatment.