Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[Q.]

Well, if as you say, its a shoe in, why not go in luxury?

To board a plane to Australia you need a valid passport and tourist visa.

So, they arrive legally, and then go illegal.
That's why people don't care about illegals arriving here by plane because HTF do you identify them?
They aren't illegal until they overstay. Then I give a hoot about them.
And just because they use a different system, doesn't mean the boaties deserve any better treatment.

It's not illegal to seek asylum.

They apply after arriving.

[Q.]

What a ****:

"One well-placed Liberal source told The Australian that Abbott would rather see Labor continue to bleed politically with ongoing boat arrivals. If that means deaths at sea continue, he said, so be it."

[Jase]

What a ****:

"One well-placed Liberal source told The Australian that Abbott would rather see Labor continue to bleed politically with ongoing boat arrivals. If that means deaths at sea continue, he said, so be it."

[Psyber]

I heard that one this morning on ABC Radio, the quoting error was pointed out to the pro-ALP promulgator then.
I can't remember the details - I was half-awake as I use that station as my morning wake up alarm.

This is a strategy similar to the state ALP's trying to whip up the idea that Isobel Redmond won't be Premier in a state Liberal government.
The federal ALP are now making a show of pretending to negotiate on the asylum seeker issue, but everyone knows the realistic options won't be considered.
One could as equally argue the ALP are driving the deaths by not doing what worked in the past.
Neither position is the whole truth, and those really to blame are the smugglers who are making the money.

A similar thing is going on in health with the Superclinics - they are promised to the public, but salaries that would attract doctors to work in them are not offered.
Then local GPs are asked to move into them at rents that far exceed what they are paying for existing premises.
When it falls over they blame the uncooperative doctors.

[Sojourner]

What a ****:

"One well-placed Liberal source told The Australian that Abbott would rather see Labor continue to bleed politically with ongoing boat arrivals. If that means deaths at sea continue, he said, so be it."

And this differs to Sarah Hanson-Young and the Greens refusal to negotiate with the ALP in which way?

[scoob]

Sorry, I just re-read your question. There are heaps of countries that are signatories, Afghanistan is actually one of them. Australia is the closest to Malaysia.

How many of the refugees are from malaysia?

Depending on their origins closer countries that are signatories are Cambodia, Azerbaijan, Kazahstan, Russia, China, Iran, Phillipines, Japan, Kyrgyzstan, Israel, Turkey to name a few. You cannot argue that it is about distance.

[Q.]

Sorry, I just re-read your question. There are heaps of countries that are signatories, Afghanistan is actually one of them. Australia is the closest to Malaysia.

How many of the refugees are from malaysia?

Depending on their origins closer countries that are signatories are Cambodia, Azerbaijan, Kazahstan, Russia, China, Iran, Phillipines, Japan, Kyrgyzstan, Israel, Turkey to name a few. You cannot argue that it is about distance.

Of over 3 million Afghanistan refugees, more than 95% fled to neighbouring Iran and Pakistan. We had maybe 2000 last year.

[Q.]

What a ****:

"One well-placed Liberal source told The Australian that Abbott would rather see Labor continue to bleed politically with ongoing boat arrivals. If that means deaths at sea continue, he said, so be it."

And this differs to Sarah Hanson-Young and the Greens refusal to negotiate with the ALP in which way?

It doesn't really, though it's less about political mileage than it is to do with their core belief of onshore processing.

[Psyber]

It doesn't really, though it's less about political mileage than it is to do with their core belief of onshore processing.

Is that much different from the Libs core belief in using offshore processing and temporary protection visas?
Or the ALP's core belief in using a non-signatory nation like Malaysia for their solution?

They all have fixed limits in how far they will compromise - and each thinks they or right (or righteous).

[scoob]

Sorry, I just re-read your question. There are heaps of countries that are signatories, Afghanistan is actually one of them. Australia is the closest to Malaysia.

How many of the refugees are from malaysia?

Depending on their origins closer countries that are signatories are Cambodia, Azerbaijan, Kazahstan, Russia, China, Iran, Phillipines, Japan, Kyrgyzstan, Israel, Turkey to name a few. You cannot argue that it is about distance.

Of over 3 million Afghanistan refugees, more than 95% fled to neighbouring Iran and Pakistan. We had maybe 2000 last year.

Ok, so they don't get on a boat in Indonesia because their lives are in danger.

[Q.]

It doesn't really, though it's less about political mileage than it is to do with their core belief of onshore processing.

Is that much different from the Libs core belief in using offshore processing and temporary protection visas?
Or the ALP's core belief in using a non-signatory nation like Malaysia for their solution?

They all have fixed limits in how far they will compromise - and each thinks they or right (or righteous).

No, not that different, but saying you'd rather people die as it gives political mileage is another story.

[Q.]

Sorry, I just re-read your question. There are heaps of countries that are signatories, Afghanistan is actually one of them. Australia is the closest to Malaysia.

How many of the refugees are from malaysia?

Depending on their origins closer countries that are signatories are Cambodia, Azerbaijan, Kazahstan, Russia, China, Iran, Phillipines, Japan, Kyrgyzstan, Israel, Turkey to name a few. You cannot argue that it is about distance.

Of over 3 million Afghanistan refugees, more than 95% fled to neighbouring Iran and Pakistan. We had maybe 2000 last year.

Ok, so they don't get on a boat in Indonesia because their lives are in danger.

They do. Only a very small number choose to come to Australia.

[Jimmy_041]

Silly buggers should go to NZ - they'd let them in

[Q.]

Silly buggers should go to NZ - they'd let them in

They don't.

[Q.]

The inherent problem has been the policy to impound and destroy seaworthy boats.

Onshore processing is the most humane option. But it needs to be coupled with a policy of patrolling the waters and punishing those who run non-seaworthy boats above capacity.

Nauru and TPVs never deterred boats. The Malaysian Solution is just abhorrent.

[Jimmy_041]

Silly buggers should go to NZ - they'd let them in

They don't.

Obviously they're crap at rugby

[scoob]

Something needs to be done...

http://www.news.com.au/national/tragedy ... 6410005101

[Sojourner]

The Greens Refuse to Negotiate, the Liberals refuse to Negotiate, the ALP say they want to negotiate but wont accept the various policies of the Liberals such as TPV's and so on.

Now that the situation has ramped up to the point where this bickering between these three political parties is now seeing people drowning at sea in numbers I agree that something does and must be done about it to stop this from happening.

Its my opinion that the problem now rests at the feet of the Governor General. This refusal to work together in a minority government is now costing lives, various promises were made by the ALP and the Greens that they could form a coalition and provide a workable government. that is clearly no longer the case. The Governor General appears to be left with little option but to end the current Government and issue election writs. At the same time, perhaps she might consider some of the actions of individuals in the parliament who have refused to negotiate over this issue - Gillard, Hanson-Young, Abbott and make a determination if they should or should not be eligible to stand for election in the new goverment.

[Jimmy_041]

Well, if as you say, its a shoe in, why not go in luxury?

To board a plane to Australia you need a valid passport and tourist visa.

So, they arrive legally, and then go illegal.
That's why people don't care about illegals arriving here by plane because HTF do you identify them?
They aren't illegal until they overstay. Then I give a hoot about them.
And just because they use a different system, doesn't mean the boaties deserve any better treatment.

It's not illegal to seek asylum.
They apply after arriving.

It is illegal to enter the country without a valid passport and visa though.

[Jimmy_041]

It doesn't really, though it's less about political mileage than it is to do with their core belief of onshore processing.

Is that much different from the Libs core belief in using offshore processing and temporary protection visas?
Or the ALP's core belief in using a non-signatory nation like Malaysia for their solution?
They all have fixed limits in how far they will compromise - and each thinks they or right (or righteous).

No, not that different, but saying you'd rather people die as it gives political mileage is another story.

If only he said it, it would be a story