Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[Q.]

So, they arrive legally, and then go illegal.
That's why people don't care about illegals arriving here by plane because HTF do you identify them?
They aren't illegal until they overstay. Then I give a hoot about them.
And just because they use a different system, doesn't mean the boaties deserve any better treatment.

It's not illegal to seek asylum.
They apply after arriving.

It is illegal to enter the country without a valid passport and visa though.

Not if you're seeking asylum.

[Q.]

It doesn't really, though it's less about political mileage than it is to do with their core belief of onshore processing.

Is that much different from the Libs core belief in using offshore processing and temporary protection visas?
Or the ALP's core belief in using a non-signatory nation like Malaysia for their solution?
They all have fixed limits in how far they will compromise - and each thinks they or right (or righteous).

No, not that different, but saying you'd rather people die as it gives political mileage is another story.

If only he said it, it would be a story

Well, I did quote The Oz, so it probably is bullshit

[Gozu]

From Crikey's First Dog On The Moon:

[Jimmy_041]

Ha!!
Typical crap.
No-one is saying don't save him - just take him back to his side of the pond.

[Q.]

Shits all over the Mark Knight rubbish

[Sojourner]

Will the Greens, the Coalition Partners of the ALP pass this legislation today?

[Psyber]

Will the Greens, the Coalition Partners of the ALP pass this legislation today?

Christine Milne has said this morning that the Greens will not support anything that includes offshore processing.
The Libs have said they will not support anything that includes a non-signatory to the convention.
The ALP have demonstrated that ramming through Malaysia is an essential face-saver.
So people will go on drowning while we fight over whose fault it is.

OK I'm biased, but I thought the - admittedly rather last minute - offer by Tony Abbott to support processing in any country that was a signatory to the convention was a reasonable one.
I just wish he had put that one up sooner, or made a deal with one of the independents to do it.

Then the Greens preparedness to let the madness continue until everyone accepts on shore processing would not matter.

Incidentally there is this Yahoo Poll about - admittedly small numbers and they are not up to date with the Coalitions offered compromise:

[Q.]

Then the Greens preparedness to let the madness continue until everyone accepts on shore processing would not matter.

Onshore processing works. The policy of impounding and destroying seaworthy boats doesn't.

The faux empathy surrounding the Malaysian Solution is astounding.

[Booney]

*Outsider gingerly enters political debate*

For mine the easiest (?) solution is to intercept boats at their departure point, would it not?

Now I know there are a multitude of ports etc that the boats can leave from, but given water / food requirements there must be some limit these ramshackle boats can travel unaided? I wouldn't expect a boat to leave Iran and travel without a stop over to Australia. Or am I that naive that they actually do?

So, why not identify the most likely of departure points in several countries, station Australian Immigration authorities at these places, hell, even fly a bloody "come and try your luck" flag to encourage assylum seekers to be processed in an orderly manner in the safety of these locations while driving the people smugglers out of business.

Why not also demonstrate in these locations the amount of deaths at sea on these boats to potential suitors looking to jump on board? Im sure Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia etc dont show much footage of the Christmas Island type disaster.

[scoob]

Then the Greens preparedness to let the madness continue until everyone accepts on shore processing would not matter.

Onshore processing works. The policy of impounding and destroying seaworthy boats doesn't.

The faux empathy surrounding the Malaysian Solution is astounding.

How does onshore processing deter people from jumping on a boat in Indonesia and trying to get to Christmas island?

[Gozu]

How does onshore processing deter people from jumping on a boat in Indonesia and trying to get to Christmas island?

That's where the current debate between the Lab/Libs misses the point. It's not about deterrence, if it was then why dont one of the two right-wing parties come up with a policy saying they'll shoot asylum seekers that come by boat (as opposed to the nice ones that come by plane) as they land on shore?

You can't stop poor oppressed people from being willing to risk their lives in the hope of having a better life somewhere else for themselves and their families.

[Sky Pilot]

How does onshore processing deter people from jumping on a boat in Indonesia and trying to get to Christmas island?

That's where the current debate between the Lab/Libs misses the point. It's not about deterrence, if it was then why dont one of the two right-wing parties come up with a policy saying they'll shoot asylum seekers that come by boat (as opposed to the nice ones that come by plane) as they land on shore?

You can't stop poor oppressed people from being willing to risk their lives in the hope of having a better life somewhere else for themselves and their families.

They manage to fly themselves to Indonesia and accomodate themselves appropriately and then slip $10grand into the pockets of people smugglers. And the only ones who are repressed are the women who are exploited and treated like second class citizens. You can't escape the fact that their rancid lifestyle has rooted their own country which is why they want to come to ours.

[scoob]

How does onshore processing deter people from jumping on a boat in Indonesia and trying to get to Christmas island?

That's where the current debate between the Lab/Libs misses the point. It's not about deterrence, if it was then why dont one of the two right-wing parties come up with a policy saying they'll shoot asylum seekers that come by boat (as opposed to the nice ones that come by plane) as they land on shore?

You can't stop poor oppressed people from being willing to risk their lives in the hope of having a better life somewhere else for themselves and their families.

So Onshore processing won't stop refugees from getting on a boat and dying at sea. Seems like the Greens are onto something

[Jimmy_041]

It's very important that we encourage these people to, at least, try to get here, and then welcome them with open arms.

[scoob]

It's very important that we encourage these people to, at least, try to get here, and then welcome them with open arms.

Maybe we can build a man made island halfway between Christmas Island and Indo so its safer for them - or start providing a refugee ferry service - no papers/id required - you can even be from Pakistan.

[once_were_warriors]

If only they were all potential sporting world champions , then we would wrap them up in green and gold and call them one of our own.

[Q.]

They manage to fly themselves to Indonesia and accomodate themselves appropriately and then slip $10grand into the pockets of people smugglers. And the only ones who are repressed are the women who are exploited and treated like second class citizens. You can't escape the fact that their rancid lifestyle has rooted their own country which is why they want to come to ours.

Enough of the Limited News memes.

15 millions refugee worldwide and we get 4000 coming to us by boat. Dat dere dem pull factors

[Sojourner]

Is there a reason why Asylum Seekers cannot apply for Asylum at the Australian Embassy in Indonesia, be given refugee status and flown to Australia like those other in Africa and other places on UN Queues for places? Would that not then make the boat trips not required?

[Q.]

There is no such thing as a UN Queue.

[Jimmy_041]

They manage to fly themselves to Indonesia and accomodate themselves appropriately and then slip $10grand into the pockets of people smugglers. And the only ones who are repressed are the women who are exploited and treated like second class citizens. You can't escape the fact that their rancid lifestyle has rooted their own country which is why they want to come to ours.

Enough of the Limited News memes.

15 millions refugee worldwide and we get 4000 coming to us by boat. Dat dere dem pull factors

So we should ignore them and let them in
Seriously, some of you blokes should go to England to see what unchecked illegal immigration has done to them