Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[Q.]

Increase our intake. Change our policy that links onshore placement with offshore placement (only country in the world that does this). We won't stop the boats (Nauru & TPVs never did and the Malaysian Solution won't), so current focuses on policy are completely misguided - focus on ways to ensure that only seaworthy boats are making the journey.

[scoob]

Increase our intake. Change our policy that links onshore placement with offshore placement (only country in the world that does this). We won't stop the boats (Nauru & TPVs never did and the Malaysian Solution won't), so current focuses on policy are completely misguided - focus on ways to ensure that only seaworthy boats are making the journey.

As I said, governnment fund ferry service

[Q.]

No. The policy of impounding and destroying boats has led to non-seaworthy boats being used. The policy should be to impound/destroy non-seaworthy boats and punish the operators of those boats.

God forbid we re-settle a few thousand refugees a year

[scoob]

No. The policy of impounding and destroying boats has led to non-seaworthy boats being used. The policy should be to impound/destroy non-seaworthy boats and punish the operators of those boats.

God forbid we re-settle a few thousand refugees a year

So we should be encouraging refugees to make the trip by boat?

[Jimmy_041]

Kill all boats I say - Let's make Qantas do some pro-bono work.
We would be the only country in the world actively aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
If one of their "good" recycled boats did sink, they'd probably sue us for allowing them to use an "unsafe" boat.
And the Coalition government did reduce the influx down to a trickle - Nauru did work.
It must have worked because all the pro-illegal immigration people hated it.

[gossipgirl]

cant we just do a swap politicians for refugees

[Q.]

No. The policy of impounding and destroying boats has led to non-seaworthy boats being used. The policy should be to impound/destroy non-seaworthy boats and punish the operators of those boats.

God forbid we re-settle a few thousand refugees a year

So we should be encouraging refugees to make the trip by boat?

The past decade has shown they make the trip regardless of outside factors.

[Q.]

Kill all boats I say - Let's make Qantas do some pro-bono work.
We would be the only country in the world actively aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
If one of their "good" recycled boats did sink, they'd probably sue us for allowing them to use an "unsafe" boat.
And the Coalition government did reduce the influx down to a trickle - Nauru did work.
It must have worked because all the pro-illegal immigration people hated it.

False.

Many boats still made they trip, they were just diverted to Nauru, which is why their were no arrivals to Australia in that period. +95% of the refugees processed were then granted protection.

EDIT: Labor will intend on using the same abuse of statistics to show that the Malaysian Solution has 'stopped the boats'.

[Jimmy_041]

Well, there's the problem
95% of them were granted protection.
Make it zero tolerance - send them all back and show it's a waste of time
The more we let in, the more that will come.

[Q.]

We would be in defiance of our obligations, nevermind that it's pretty ordinary to invade a nation, carpet bomb it, **** it up, then turn away any refugees escaping the shitstorm.

But that's what this is, at the end of the day it's those who oppose re-settling refugees vs those who don't.

[Jimmy_041]

I give in
It's no fun debating with someone that uses common sense and doesn't get upset.
I'm moving onto the SA Political Landscape topic - more fun there

[Q.]

lol, I managed to pretty much stay away from this forum until I clicked on this topic

Damn you Psyb for the bump

[scoob]

I give in
It's no fun debating with someone that uses common sense and doesn't get upset.
I'm moving onto the SA Political Landscape topic - more fun there

I want R&B back... he was much more fun!

[dedja]

straight talker is sorely missed ...

[Grahaml]

Lol. Love those who don't understand the issues arguing with those who don't understand the issues. Nauru did work, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Most refugees get settled because they aren't a problem. The issue is the number of boats coming and the safety of those boats. Malaysia is a one off flawed policy that the government likes because it isn't the policy the Libs had that worked. The Libs are sticking with the tried and true while the greens are pretending to be a major player but are being exposed for the jokes they are. Fancy that mob trying to govern with their inflexible policies. Hanson-Young balling up in parliament then not voting for any change shows her crocodile tears as far as I'm concerned. The government doesn't want to admit 5 years of being wrong, the opposition don't want a worse policy than their own (and don't see a reason to compromise since they're the opposition) and so we're left with status quo until the Libs win government.

Overall, Labor are doing a good job running the country, just not selling the job they're doing. On this though they are horribly wrong and Gillard is showing that she doesn't care about people as much as votes. A close friend who had worked with Julia said she would be a good PM because "she cares". Sadly, not enough.

[Q.]

Lol. Love those who don't understand the issues arguing with those who don't understand the issues. Nauru did work, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Most refugees get settled because they aren't a problem. The issue is the number of boats coming and the safety of those boats. Malaysia is a one off flawed policy that the government likes because it isn't the policy the Libs had that worked. The Libs are sticking with the tried and true while the greens are pretending to be a major player but are being exposed for the jokes they are. Fancy that mob trying to govern with their inflexible policies. Hanson-Young balling up in parliament then not voting for any change shows her crocodile tears as far as I'm concerned. The government doesn't want to admit 5 years of being wrong, the opposition don't want a worse policy than their own (and don't see a reason to compromise since they're the opposition) and so we're left with status quo until the Libs win government.

Overall, Labor are doing a good job running the country, just not selling the job they're doing. On this though they are horribly wrong and Gillard is showing that she doesn't care about people as much as votes. A close friend who had worked with Julia said she would be a good PM because "she cares". Sadly, not enough.

Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.

It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.

[Psyber]

Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.
It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.

I wonder what the budget would be for the "Malaysia solution" - if we can get over them being a non-signatory to the UN convention.
Or for the cost of processing them on shore if the greens had their way?
(And if even more arrived with that incentive.)

[dedja]

Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.

It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.

There's 2 facts that are relevant to me here.

1. The number of asylum seekers processed each year, and a breakdown of how they got here (directly or indirectly in offshore processing centres, and boats vs air)
2. Of the total each year, what percentage were afforded asylum.

Can anyone help?

[Q.]

Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.

It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.

There's 2 facts that are relevant to me here.

1. The number of asylum seekers processed each year, and a breakdown of how they got here (directly or indirectly in offshore processing centres, and boats vs air)
2. Of the total each year, what percentage were afforded asylum.

Can anyone help?

For 2011:

- 4565 arrived by boat
- 11491 onshore applications
- Final grant rate 89.6%

[dedja]

Good start ... What about each year for the last 10 years?