Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:26 am

Increase our intake. Change our policy that links onshore placement with offshore placement (only country in the world that does this). We won't stop the boats (Nauru & TPVs never did and the Malaysian Solution won't), so current focuses on policy are completely misguided - focus on ways to ensure that only seaworthy boats are making the journey.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby scoob » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:43 am

Q. wrote:Increase our intake. Change our policy that links onshore placement with offshore placement (only country in the world that does this). We won't stop the boats (Nauru & TPVs never did and the Malaysian Solution won't), so current focuses on policy are completely misguided - focus on ways to ensure that only seaworthy boats are making the journey.


As I said, governnment fund ferry service
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:55 am

No. The policy of impounding and destroying boats has led to non-seaworthy boats being used. The policy should be to impound/destroy non-seaworthy boats and punish the operators of those boats.

God forbid we re-settle a few thousand refugees a year :roll:
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby scoob » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:58 am

Q. wrote:No. The policy of impounding and destroying boats has led to non-seaworthy boats being used. The policy should be to impound/destroy non-seaworthy boats and punish the operators of those boats.

God forbid we re-settle a few thousand refugees a year :roll:


So we should be encouraging refugees to make the trip by boat?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:03 pm

Kill all boats I say - Let's make Qantas do some pro-bono work.
We would be the only country in the world actively aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
If one of their "good" recycled boats did sink, they'd probably sue us for allowing them to use an "unsafe" boat.
And the Coalition government did reduce the influx down to a trickle - Nauru did work.
It must have worked because all the pro-illegal immigration people hated it.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby gossipgirl » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:04 pm

cant we just do a swap politicians for refugees :)
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:25 pm

scoob wrote:
Q. wrote:No. The policy of impounding and destroying boats has led to non-seaworthy boats being used. The policy should be to impound/destroy non-seaworthy boats and punish the operators of those boats.

God forbid we re-settle a few thousand refugees a year :roll:


So we should be encouraging refugees to make the trip by boat?


The past decade has shown they make the trip regardless of outside factors.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:28 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:Kill all boats I say - Let's make Qantas do some pro-bono work.
We would be the only country in the world actively aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
If one of their "good" recycled boats did sink, they'd probably sue us for allowing them to use an "unsafe" boat.
And the Coalition government did reduce the influx down to a trickle - Nauru did work.
It must have worked because all the pro-illegal immigration people hated it.


False.

Many boats still made they trip, they were just diverted to Nauru, which is why their were no arrivals to Australia in that period. +95% of the refugees processed were then granted protection.

EDIT: Labor will intend on using the same abuse of statistics to show that the Malaysian Solution has 'stopped the boats'.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:37 pm

Well, there's the problem
95% of them were granted protection.
Make it zero tolerance - send them all back and show it's a waste of time
The more we let in, the more that will come.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:49 pm

We would be in defiance of our obligations, nevermind that it's pretty ordinary to invade a nation, carpet bomb it, **** it up, then turn away any refugees escaping the shitstorm.

But that's what this is, at the end of the day it's those who oppose re-settling refugees vs those who don't.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:09 pm

I give in
It's no fun debating with someone that uses common sense and doesn't get upset.
I'm moving onto the SA Political Landscape topic - more fun there :D
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:20 pm

lol, I managed to pretty much stay away from this forum until I clicked on this topic :lol:

Damn you Psyb for the bump ;)
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby scoob » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:37 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:I give in
It's no fun debating with someone that uses common sense and doesn't get upset.
I'm moving onto the SA Political Landscape topic - more fun there :D


I want R&B back... he was much more fun!
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby dedja » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:31 pm

straight talker is sorely missed ...
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Grahaml » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:14 pm

Lol. Love those who don't understand the issues arguing with those who don't understand the issues. Nauru did work, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Most refugees get settled because they aren't a problem. The issue is the number of boats coming and the safety of those boats. Malaysia is a one off flawed policy that the government likes because it isn't the policy the Libs had that worked. The Libs are sticking with the tried and true while the greens are pretending to be a major player but are being exposed for the jokes they are. Fancy that mob trying to govern with their inflexible policies. Hanson-Young balling up in parliament then not voting for any change shows her crocodile tears as far as I'm concerned. The government doesn't want to admit 5 years of being wrong, the opposition don't want a worse policy than their own (and don't see a reason to compromise since they're the opposition) and so we're left with status quo until the Libs win government.

Overall, Labor are doing a good job running the country, just not selling the job they're doing. On this though they are horribly wrong and Gillard is showing that she doesn't care about people as much as votes. A close friend who had worked with Julia said she would be a good PM because "she cares". Sadly, not enough.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:28 am

Grahaml wrote:Lol. Love those who don't understand the issues arguing with those who don't understand the issues. Nauru did work, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Most refugees get settled because they aren't a problem. The issue is the number of boats coming and the safety of those boats. Malaysia is a one off flawed policy that the government likes because it isn't the policy the Libs had that worked. The Libs are sticking with the tried and true while the greens are pretending to be a major player but are being exposed for the jokes they are. Fancy that mob trying to govern with their inflexible policies. Hanson-Young balling up in parliament then not voting for any change shows her crocodile tears as far as I'm concerned. The government doesn't want to admit 5 years of being wrong, the opposition don't want a worse policy than their own (and don't see a reason to compromise since they're the opposition) and so we're left with status quo until the Libs win government.

Overall, Labor are doing a good job running the country, just not selling the job they're doing. On this though they are horribly wrong and Gillard is showing that she doesn't care about people as much as votes. A close friend who had worked with Julia said she would be a good PM because "she cares". Sadly, not enough.


Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.

It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Psyber » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:44 pm

Q. wrote: Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.
It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.
I wonder what the budget would be for the "Malaysia solution" - if we can get over them being a non-signatory to the UN convention.
Or for the cost of processing them on shore if the greens had their way?
(And if even more arrived with that incentive.)
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby dedja » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:13 pm

Q. wrote:Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.

It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.


There's 2 facts that are relevant to me here.

1. The number of asylum seekers processed each year, and a breakdown of how they got here (directly or indirectly in offshore processing centres, and boats vs air)
2. Of the total each year, what percentage were afforded asylum.

Can anyone help?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:38 pm

dedja wrote:
Q. wrote:Nauru didn't 'work'. As many boats made the journey as before that policy.

It cost a billion a year to run and didn't 'stop the boats'.


There's 2 facts that are relevant to me here.

1. The number of asylum seekers processed each year, and a breakdown of how they got here (directly or indirectly in offshore processing centres, and boats vs air)
2. Of the total each year, what percentage were afforded asylum.

Can anyone help?


For 2011:

- 4565 arrived by boat
- 11491 onshore applications
- Final grant rate 89.6%
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby dedja » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:39 pm

Good start ... What about each year for the last 10 years?
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