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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:40 pm
by MW
"and I'll rip it apart later..."

You're a man of your word Morell

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:42 pm
by jo172
As an aside an unforeseen negative consequence of ICAC is that the public sector now sees "not maladministration" as an acceptable level of conduct.

Conduct that does not rise to the level of maladministration can still be completely unacceptable.

This isn't directed particularly at Local Government, but it's shit I'm dealing with at work on a relatively regular basis.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:35 pm
by Jimmy_041
#### me - is that all you’ve got?

But I suppose it filled in part of your day before you shut your work computer off at 4.55pm

BTW; as I ripped mine out in about 5 minutes betwee meetings about making money, I neglected to include that the Ombudsman made a preliminary judgement of maladministration. Your friends are very lucky he changed his mind and brought it down to wrong (IIRC on every count)

As for trees and forest; more like a bag of apples and one goes bad

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:21 pm
by DOC
jo172 wrote:As an aside an unforeseen negative consequence of ICAC is that the public sector now sees "not maladministration" as an acceptable level of conduct.

Conduct that does not rise to the level of maladministration can still be completely unacceptable.

This isn't directed particularly at Local Government, but it's shit I'm dealing with at work on a relatively regular basis.



Do you mean at state government level?

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:58 pm
by Jimmy_041
Unfortunately, good for one / good for all
This entire “I’m not guilty of maladminstration therefore I’m clean” started at the top with Gillman, infected that level of government and has now trickled down to the next level. It’s almost like celebrating a verdict of Manslaughter when you’ve been tried for murder
The Ombudsman’s report is damning but how can the Minister for Local Govt do anything when 3-4 of his fellow Cabinet members have been found as equally (I’m not sure of the correct word@jo_172)? Not that the former Minister would have done anything anyway when he was kissing the asses of 2 of them.

The entire complaint was not about the benefit but the cover up

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:51 pm
by morell
jo172 wrote:As an aside an unforeseen negative consequence of ICAC is that the public sector now sees "not maladministration" as an acceptable level of conduct.

Conduct that does not rise to the level of maladministration can still be completely unacceptable.

This isn't directed particularly at Local Government, but it's shit I'm dealing with at work on a relatively regular basis.
My understanding is maladministration is the lower end of the hierarchy. In that it's pretty much "you're shitty at your job, but not corrupt or malicious".

So if the ruling is "you're not shitty at your job" then I think that's a more than reasonable "defensive strategy" when being questioned.

There will always be areas for improvement. So I would throw that back and say that expectation management of the public and investigative bodies is a massive area the public sector will need to manage

Not perfect doesn't equate to not good enough.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:24 pm
by Dogwatcher

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:27 pm
by Executive Member
jo172 wrote:As an analogy if a Board offered to pay it's CEO's Golf Club membership and then spent a considerable sum to hide it from its shareholders there would (rightfully) be hell to pay for that Board.


I am glad a certain CEO we all love and respect doesn't like golf 8)

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:19 pm
by morell
*******. Love. It.

Seen enough people in tears and emotional wrecks simply because the general public feel like they own you as you work in the public sector.

Gave it a really hard like.

#CourageousCouncils

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:00 pm
by Dogwatcher
Not the PR decision most would have made.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:28 pm
by morell
Dogwatcher wrote:Not the PR decision most would have made.

Nah I like it.

Councils have been the proverbial whipping boy for a generation. Often unjustifiably. Just look at the above in the context of some of the other sphere's of government missteps.

Have to start changing the publics expectations. Council's, by and large, do an excellent job with the resources they're afforded.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:57 am
by Trader
morell wrote:Council's, by and large, do an excellent job with the resources they're afforded.


Cmon mate, you're once again losing credibility.

I agree they are often a soft target for media or state govt to sink the boots in, but to say Council's do an excellent job is simply taking the piss.

Council's are choc-o-block with below average individuals avoiding any resemblance of hard work or accountability.
Don't forget the mantra of the local government employee: Do nothing and you can't get in trouble for doing the wrong thing!

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:23 am
by morell
Maybe it's just the ones you work for then ;)

No doubt there are some areas of fat and some ridiculous services. And there would be plenty of trogs. But, by and large, they do an excellent job.

Is LG doing a worse job than:

Utilities
Telcos
Banks
SAPOL
Health?

I'd say not.

Anecdotally, I've met and known far more oustanding individuals through local government that I have in the private industry. It tends to attract those who have a social conscience more than the technically gifted. Perhaps dependent on what criteria one would use, however.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:52 am
by morell
Looks like that Apple Watch and golf membership has paid off:

Local businesses in the City of Onkaparinga secured nearly $1million worth of export deals in a
six-month period thanks to the council’s Trade and Investment Attraction Program.
From 1 July to 31 December last year, 22 businesses from six different industries recorded
$961,000 worth of exports to international markets, mainly to China through participating in
business missions, delegations and trade events facilitated by council.


MEDIA RELEASE - http://bit.ly/2GRwZot

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:56 am
by cracka
morell wrote:Looks like that Apple Watch and golf membership has paid off:

Local businesses in the City of Onkaparinga secured nearly $1million worth of export deals in a
six-month period thanks to the council’s Trade and Investment Attraction Program.
From 1 July to 31 December last year, 22 businesses from six different industries recorded
$961,000 worth of exports to international markets, mainly to China through participating in
business missions, delegations and trade events facilitated by council.


MEDIA RELEASE - http://bit.ly/2GRwZot

Were the deals all done on the golf course.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:08 am
by morell
cracka wrote:
morell wrote:Looks like that Apple Watch and golf membership has paid off:

Local businesses in the City of Onkaparinga secured nearly $1million worth of export deals in a
six-month period thanks to the council’s Trade and Investment Attraction Program.
From 1 July to 31 December last year, 22 businesses from six different industries recorded
$961,000 worth of exports to international markets, mainly to China through participating in
business missions, delegations and trade events facilitated by council.


MEDIA RELEASE - http://bit.ly/2GRwZot

Were the deals all done on the golf course.
Yes. Through email on his Apple watch. He also purchased some flowers using apple pay

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:36 am
by Jimmy_041
cracka wrote:
morell wrote:Looks like that Apple Watch and golf membership has paid off:

Local businesses in the City of Onkaparinga secured nearly $1million worth of export deals in a
six-month period thanks to the council’s Trade and Investment Attraction Program.
From 1 July to 31 December last year, 22 businesses from six different industries recorded
$961,000 worth of exports to international markets, mainly to China through participating in
business missions, delegations and trade events facilitated by council.


MEDIA RELEASE - http://bit.ly/2GRwZot

Were the deals all done on the golf course.


Makes you wonder why they went to such extent, including breaking the law, to keep the golf membership secret.

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:34 am
by cracka
morell wrote:
cracka wrote:
morell wrote:Looks like that Apple Watch and golf membership has paid off:

Local businesses in the City of Onkaparinga secured nearly $1million worth of export deals in a
six-month period thanks to the council’s Trade and Investment Attraction Program.
From 1 July to 31 December last year, 22 businesses from six different industries recorded
$961,000 worth of exports to international markets, mainly to China through participating in
business missions, delegations and trade events facilitated by council.


MEDIA RELEASE - http://bit.ly/2GRwZot

Were the deals all done on the golf course.
Yes. Through email on his Apple watch. He also purchased some flowers using apple pay

I'm sure that's what they'll claim anyway :D

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:43 am
by heater31
Meanwhile that Council's network of Libraries has its funding slashed [emoji849]

Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:56 pm
by morell
Jimmy_041 wrote:
cracka wrote:
morell wrote:Looks like that Apple Watch and golf membership has paid off:

Local businesses in the City of Onkaparinga secured nearly $1million worth of export deals in a
six-month period thanks to the council’s Trade and Investment Attraction Program.
From 1 July to 31 December last year, 22 businesses from six different industries recorded
$961,000 worth of exports to international markets, mainly to China through participating in
business missions, delegations and trade events facilitated by council.


MEDIA RELEASE - http://bit.ly/2GRwZot

Were the deals all done on the golf course.


Makes you wonder why they went to such extent, including breaking the law, to keep the golf membership secret.
Complete fabrication and misrepresentation.

#FakeNews