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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby scoob » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:49 pm

Can you please give us the % of each nationality of these refugees?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Psyber » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:22 pm

bulldogproud2 wrote: Yes, the indigenous people of Australia should have had that right 200 years ago!!
They were not signatories either and did have that choice!
The various groups of existing settlers appear to have responded in diverse ways to the European arrival, as did the Europeans to them.

They did not treat well their possible predecessors, or maybe contemporaries, of a somewhat different racial group, who had been exterminated on the mainland and only survived in Tasmania when Europeans got here. The later Tasmanian "black drive" was also a shameful episode in the history of European settlement.

I admit my perspective is influenced by the fact that this is not my history, as my father's parents arrived in 1896, and my mother got here in 1924 aged 15.
(Both lots as pre-approved immigrants. ;) )
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:43 pm

Sojourner wrote:Can you give us the list relevant to Per Capita of Population?


Refugees under UNHCR mandate (10.55 million)
Australia’s World Ranking
• By total number of refugees 46th
• Compared to our population size (per capita) 69th
• Compared to our national wealth GDP (PPP) per capita 79th

Further information can be obtained from:

http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/ ... nally_.pdf

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:46 pm

scoob wrote:Can you please give us the % of each nationality of these refugees?



Iraq

2151



Burma

1443



Afghanistan

1027



Bhutan

1001



Congo (DRC)

565



Ethiopia

381



Sri Lanka

289



Iran

271



Sudan

243



Somalia

190
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:14 am

bulldogproud2 wrote:
Sojourner wrote:Can you give us the list relevant to Per Capita of Population?


Refugees under UNHCR mandate (10.55 million)
Australia’s World Ranking
• By total number of refugees 46th
• Compared to our population size (per capita) 69th
• Compared to our national wealth GDP (PPP) per capita 79th

Further information can be obtained from:

http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/ ... nally_.pdf

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:01 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
bulldogproud2 wrote:
Sojourner wrote:Can you give us the list relevant to Per Capita of Population?


Refugees under UNHCR mandate (10.55 million)
Australia’s World Ranking
• By total number of refugees 46th
• Compared to our population size (per capita) 69th
• Compared to our national wealth GDP (PPP) per capita 79th

Further information can be obtained from:

http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/ ... nally_.pdf

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Great Britain is really enjoying the fruits of its refugee destination status

True, gaining a very multicultural cricket team now! ;)
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Psyber » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:54 am

It is easy to lose sight of the fact that the central issue in the current immigration debate, and the conflict about it, is not race but religion.
Specifically, the tenets of Islam do require Muslims to not tolerate other religions.
Exactly what "not tolerate" means is subject to debate, but the fundamentalist sub-groups take it rather literally.
This means social conflict is inevitable once a critical mass of that religious group is reached in any non-Muslim society.

I have no problem with individual Muslims I know.
I do worry about the effect on our way of life of allowing this additional conflict to develop in our society.
In some ways, based on its history of causing conflict and atrocity, I'd like to be able to ban all religion. :(
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:07 pm

Psyber wrote:It is easy to lose sight of the fact that the central issue in the current immigration debate, and the conflict about it, is not race but religion.
Specifically, the tenets of Islam do require Muslims to not tolerate other religions.
Exactly what "not tolerate" means is subject to debate, but the fundamentalist sub-groups take it rather literally.
This means social conflict is inevitable once a critical mass of that religious group is reached in any non-Muslim society.

I have no problem with individual Muslims I know.
I do worry about the effect on our way of life of allowing this additional conflict to develop in our society.
In some ways, based on its history of causing conflict and atrocity, I'd like to be able to ban all religion. :(


Psyber, Psyber, Psyber, I have great respect for you but cannot let you get away with that statement. Islam is an extremely peace-filled religion and advocates acceptance of all equally, with complete tolerance shown for those of other faiths.

'Islam accommodates and welcomes all people as brothers and sisters regardless of their distinctive/particular affiliations or backgrounds. The Islamic attitude towards the followers of other religions is not only to show tolerance towards their beliefs, but also to affirm a non-negotiable Islamic principle of tolerance and religious responsibility.


"There is no compulsion in [accepting] religion. The right course has become clear from error." (The Qur'an 2: 256)



In fact, Islam through the course of its history has granted the people of other faiths the highest degree of tolerance by allowing them to follow their way, although some of their practices might have been in conflict with the religion of the majority. It was this degree of tolerance that the Muslims adopted towards their non-Muslim citizens'

It may become clearer to you when you understand the close relationship between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three religions believe in the same God. Christians accept all the Jewish prophets but additionally believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Muslims accept all the Christian prophets (including all Jewish) and see Jesus as being a great prophet but not the Son of God. They believe that the last of the great prophets was Muhammad. The teachings re values etc of all three religions are very similar and all preach peace.

Rather than lay the blame at the religions for violence, lay the blame at human greed and desire for power. Through time, many have misrepresented their faiths and caused violence. However, this is people going against what their religion actually preaches. Unfortunately, mankind is fallible and will sometimes put their desire for power ahead of their following of God.

Re your final statement, you should not want religion banned as, if people followed their religions as the Divine Power wished them to, there would be no violence and only peace.

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Sky Pilot » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:14 pm

In a generation or two, the US will ask itself:
who lost Europe ?'
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me. I come to America with a mission.
All is not well in the old world.

There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic.

We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem ...

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.

Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, please send it to every free person that you know - it is so very important.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:29 pm

Now that is stooping to the most incredible low that this forum ever can. Geert Wilders has been banned from entering numerous countries, including Australia. He is also connected to Anders Brievik who carried out the mass murders in Norway:

'In July 2011, Anders Behring Breivik, the man who carried out the 2011 Norway attacks, declared himself to be a great admirer of Geert Wilders and the Party for Freedom'

Wikipedia also had this to say about him:

'Wilders was extensively discussed in American diplomatic cables, released by WikiLeaks in December 2010. In a briefing to President Barack Obama, he was described as "no friend of the US: he opposes Dutch military involvement in Afghanistan; he believes development assistance is money wasted; he opposes NATO missions outside 'allied' territory; he is against most EU initiatives; and, most troubling, he foments fear and hatred of immigrants."[94]

Deemed by many as the world's worst racist but apparently loved by SP. Says a lot!!!!!!!
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Sky Pilot » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:37 pm

I didn't say I loved him or indeed that I agreed with him! You read that into it so try and be more objective and realistic with your ridiculous biased views and criticisms.
Oh, are you able to refute anything he wrote in that speech? Can you point out any innaccuracies?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:52 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:In a generation or two, the US will ask itself:
who lost Europe ?'
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me. I come to America with a mission.
All is not well in the old world.

There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic.

We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem ...
Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.

Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, please send it to every free person that you know - it is so very important.


I have placed in bold all the comments he has made that are either totally incorrect or completely racist.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Q. » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:12 pm

Oh lawdy :shock:
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby once_were_warriors » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:25 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:I didn't say I loved him or indeed that I agreed with him! You read that into it so try and be more objective and realistic with your ridiculous biased views and criticisms.
Oh, are you able to refute anything he wrote in that speech? Can you point out any innaccuracies?



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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby bulldogproud2 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:30 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:I didn't say I loved him or indeed that I agreed with him! You read that into it so try and be more objective and realistic with your ridiculous biased views and criticisms.
Oh, are you able to refute anything he wrote in that speech? Can you point out any innaccuracies?


Why post someone's speech if you disagree with it, without stating that you disagree??
As for pointing out inaccurracies, only about 90% of his comments.... so, yes, a very balanced, totally objective, nonracist speech he gave ;)
Btw, sorry about calling you an idiot before. I may disagree with your comments and think they are idiotic but I have no right to call anyone an idiot.
As for me being more objective though, pretty much all the comments I make are supported by statistical evidence or other secondary data. Not sure that my comments can be called ridiculous when they are backed up by logic and facts. Agree?? ;)
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Gozu » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:35 pm

Jesus, SP what respect I had for you is out the window after pasting shit from the far-right lunatic Geert Wilders.

What next holocaust denial BS from another ultra-right nutter in Adelaide based Fredrick Toben?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby dedja » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:45 pm

“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself.” ― Oscar Wilde
Dunno, I’m just an idiot.

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby redden whites » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:14 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:In a generation or two, the US will ask itself:
who lost Europe ?'
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me. I come to America with a mission.
All is not well in the old world.

There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic.

We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem ...

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.

Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, please send it to every free person that you know - it is so very important.

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Sojourner » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:32 pm

Interesting to see that the Textiles, Clothing and Footwear Union seem to be getting behind Greens MP Adam Bandt on the issue of detention for asyium seekers and are calling for a genuine migration policy and for those people to be able to access fair wages and conditions. How many other trade unions are supporting the Greens over the ALP now?



Rally condemns Australia’s refugee policies

Tuesday, October 23, 2012
By Chris Peterson, Melbourne
About 200 people rallied in Melbourne for refugee rights on October 21. The Refugee Action Collective Victoria called the protest.

Michelle O'Neill from the Textiles, Clothing and Footwear Union of Australia told the rally: “In reality, we are condemning asylum seekers to languish for indefinite periods of time. The effect of this on many asylum seekers will be extraordinarily severe psychological harm.

”The union movement thinks this is important because it is about justice and fairness and the sort of community we want to have. We need a genuine migration policy for people to move and work in Australia and get proper wages and conditions.”

Greens MP Adam Bandt said: “Some of the world's most vulnerable people have been denied a safe passage. If we are a first world nation that has signed refugee conventions, let's abide by them. We should not try and deter people by taking away their rights."

The Refugee Action Collective has planned a Welcome BBQ for refugees at Maribyrnong detention centre on November 6 at 1pm, 53 Hampstead Rd, Maribyrnong.


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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

Postby Psyber » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:33 am

bulldogproud2 wrote:
Psyber wrote:It is easy to lose sight of the fact that the central issue in the current immigration debate, and the conflict about it, is not race but religion.
Specifically, the tenets of Islam do require Muslims to not tolerate other religions.
Exactly what "not tolerate" means is subject to debate, but the fundamentalist sub-groups take it rather literally.
This means social conflict is inevitable once a critical mass of that religious group is reached in any non-Muslim society.

I have no problem with individual Muslims I know.
I do worry about the effect on our way of life of allowing this additional conflict to develop in our society.
In some ways, based on its history of causing conflict and atrocity, I'd like to be able to ban all religion. :(
Psyber, Psyber, Psyber, I have great respect for you but cannot let you get away with that statement. Islam is an extremely peace-filled religion and advocates acceptance of all equally, with complete tolerance shown for those of other faiths.

'Islam accommodates and welcomes all people as brothers and sisters regardless of their distinctive/particular affiliations or backgrounds. The Islamic attitude towards the followers of other religions is not only to show tolerance towards their beliefs, but also to affirm a non-negotiable Islamic principle of tolerance and religious responsibility.

"There is no compulsion in [accepting] religion. The right course has become clear from error." (The Qur'an 2: 256)
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I have read the Qur'an - admittedly in translation - the sections about not tolerating other religions are prominent.
However, it is possible to quote selectively from the Qur'an, just as it is from the Bible.

History suggests that a high percentage of wars and atrocities over the years have stemmed from religious fervour.
Possibly, this has been stirred up by factions using faith to enhance their power, but this is hard to totally separate from religion itself.
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