Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Psyber » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:11 pm

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Sky Pilot wrote:The whole boat people issue is out of control and really, none of our politicians have got a clue how to fix it without offending the looney left do-gooders. The problem could be fixed by taking some drastic border protection action at this end and telling the Indonesians to lift their game at the departure points. But the outcry would be overwhelming, so we have to learn to live with it. Within two generations our Aussie lifestyle will be seriously compromised and beyond help.
There is no relevance to this point of view. Every wave of migration in our history has brought about change and in hindsight its almost always positive. In this instance its generally lunatic right wingers that drum up hatred and a "sky is falling" mentality. In a perfect world there'd be no asylum seekers as no one would be forced into such a situation and the few that were could be treated in a timely manner before reaching places like Australia and the USA. Until that day comes, media and politicians alike will prey on peoples insecurities about the worst possible outcome.
Tell that to the civilised world that remained after the Roman Empire that was overwhelmed by the Goths who burned all the libraries and plunged the world into a dark age. Fortunately for a little known aspect of history, there was a recovery that only took a few hundred years.

Irish monks from their branch of Christianity had copied manuscripts from all over the world and stored them in Irish monasteries from which they took them back to Europe when the Goths had finally settled down and become semi-civilised around 400AD or so.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby cripple » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:35 pm

Our history means australias history. With the exception of the second group of migrants (europeans), those already in australia have benefited from the new comers, many would argue the european immigration was good for aboriginals as well. In the context of the argument against boat people, modern history shows that potential issues in the future are very unlikely.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Psyber » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:27 pm

cripple wrote:Our history means australias history. With the exception of the second group of migrants (europeans), those already in australia have benefited from the new comers, many would argue the european immigration was good for aboriginals as well. In the context of the argument against boat people, modern history shows that potential issues in the future are very unlikely.
Point taken - you had said "our history" and I read that as "our human history" rather than "our Australian history".
However, the generalities that can be derived from non-Australian experience do apply and need to be kept in mind.

No doubt immigrants have enhanced our culture and diet in Australia.
However, there has been in the Psychiatric literature since WWII evidence, in studies that were done overseas and in Australia, that immigrant populations tend to bring with them a higher percentage of paranoid, or criminal, or otherwise disturbed, individuals than exists normally in the settled population of the receiving country.

In addition, the science of Epigenetics suggests that traumatised people suffer from having their genes switched into a fight or flight mode making them more volatile, and that subsequent children born to them get the genes already in that switched mode. That is another issue that needs to be considered and isn't being considered. How do we deal with this newly recognised potential? It does suggest a need for caution.

I'm not saying we should block immigration, just that we should think about the rate and the issues of assimilation and the support needed given these factors.
Obviously it becomes more important with higher immigration rates.

Perhaps we should also consider the shift in the culture of Australia to one tolerating excessive public drunkenness and resulting violence, and whether we should be warning potential immigrants that they are considering entering such a dangerous environment. :twisted:
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Bully » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:26 pm

another 106 pulled out of the water today
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Bully » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:33 pm

seriously with this asylum seeker ads on the radio where it says "tell your friends and family, the rules have changed". Why would I tell my friends and family that the rules have changed if they are not people smugglers?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Psyber » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:39 pm

Bully wrote:seriously with this asylum seeker ads on the radio where it says "tell your friends and family, the rules have changed".
Why would I tell my friends and family that the rules have changed if they are not people smugglers?

So they won't book passage with the smugglers and waste their money I assume?
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Booney » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:11 pm

The Ministers last comment, about 20 seconds from the finish. :lol:

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:33 pm

More like Yes Minister
I watched that last night.
A lot of sense in not announcing arrivals so the smugglers cant use it as "see they got through"
Better off letting them think no-one is trying and/or getting through
And, instead of paying for ads in the local Messenger (I dont think Burnside has a lot of smugglers there), how about create an ad for Indonesian TV on how flaming big our sharks are in the waters they're travelling in. That's gotta scare the bejesus out of them

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Q. » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:50 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:A lot of sense in not announcing arrivals so the public cant use it as "see they got through"


Fixed.

Control the information, control the public.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:04 pm

Q. wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:A lot of sense in not announcing arrivals so the public cant use it as "see they got through"


Fixed.

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Q. » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:28 pm

It's not against the rules, but I'll take it into consideration in the future.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:04 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Q. wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:A lot of sense in not announcing arrivals so the public cant use it as "see they got through"


Fixed.

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:47 pm

Who's LAMP you prix? :butthead:
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Sky Pilot » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:13 pm

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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:28 pm

Well there definitely has been at least 19 asylum seekers this week.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2013/09/25/325342_ntnews.html

Apparently made it all the way into Darwin harbour, undetected.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:29 am

Will we ever find out how many boats are arriving
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby gossipgirl » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:20 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Will we ever find out how many boats are arriving


Officially the BOATS have been Stopped ;) Tony would never break a promise :D
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby shoe boy » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:16 am

Downer the pompous git, shut up and let Tony make a mess himself.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:49 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Q. wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:A lot of sense in not announcing arrivals so the public cant use it as "see they got through"

Fixed.
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Re: Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two mo

Postby Sojourner » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:34 pm

A group of asylum seekers have been intercepted by the Australian Navy and put on an Indonesian Boat and returned to Indonesia. Guess they wont be getting their money back?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-27/n ... ia/4985674
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