Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[The Sleeping Giant]

Well every year the boat people start paddling, they bring the build up to Darwin.

[Booney]

Why is that Abbott has not been asked to explain his role in the Costa Concordia sinking?

[Sky Pilot]

Why is that Abbott has not been asked to explain his role in the Costa Concordia sinking?

I thought it was Corey Bernardi who caused it to steer off course

[bulldogproud2]

Why wasn't the Australian Navy swanning around the Thames?

When it should have been 50m off Java
Can you imagine what the Indos would say if we had a gunboat 50m off their shores

and yet that is exactly Abbott's policy - to tow boats right back to the coastline!!
I guess he has to have that policy. Otherwise, they get towed back to Indonesian waters and then straight back into international waters and the chase begins all over again lol
Cheers

How come they are all saying "towing them back" never has been the Coalition policy?
Turn them around - yes
Agree, they'll just turn around again
And, how do they turn them around?

BTW, how much do you reckon the Indonesian police, army, navy etc get paid by the smugglers?
It is more of an Indonesian problem than ours.
We are just suffering the consequences

True, I may have been slightly wrong on this one. I think my mind has always assumed that it meant towing them right back into shore. However, it may have meant just getting them back into Indonesian waters.
However, if so, this policy has no hope of working and just becomes a game of chasey. The boats will keep on coming back from Indonesian waters and being chased 'towed' back into them.
What a wasteful spending of billions of dollars and navy time!!

[Trader]

True, I may have been slightly wrong on this one. I think my mind has always assumed that it meant towing them right back into shore. However, it may have meant just getting them back into Indonesian waters.
However, if so, this policy has no hope of working and just becomes a game of chasey. The boats will keep on coming back from Indonesian waters and being chased 'towed' back into them.
What a wasteful spending of billions of dollars and navy time!!

Compared to the billions that were spent letting them in over the last 4 years?
One lot of spending encourages more to come, the other is a deterrent.
I know which way I'd prefer the money to be spent.

[Q.]

True, I may have been slightly wrong on this one. I think my mind has always assumed that it meant towing them right back into shore. However, it may have meant just getting them back into Indonesian waters.
However, if so, this policy has no hope of working and just becomes a game of chasey. The boats will keep on coming back from Indonesian waters and being chased 'towed' back into them.
What a wasteful spending of billions of dollars and navy time!!

Compared to the billions that were spent letting them in over the last 4 years?
One lot of spending encourages more to come, the other is a deterrent.
I know which way I'd prefer the money to be spent.

It's not a deterrent though.

The cheapest option is onshore processing.

[Trader]

True, I may have been slightly wrong on this one. I think my mind has always assumed that it meant towing them right back into shore. However, it may have meant just getting them back into Indonesian waters.
However, if so, this policy has no hope of working and just becomes a game of chasey. The boats will keep on coming back from Indonesian waters and being chased 'towed' back into them.
What a wasteful spending of billions of dollars and navy time!!

Compared to the billions that were spent letting them in over the last 4 years?
One lot of spending encourages more to come, the other is a deterrent.
I know which way I'd prefer the money to be spent.

It's not a deterrent though.

The cheapest option is onshore processing.

Knowing your boat has a much smaller chance of getting to Australia would be a deterrent to me. What am I missing?

[Q.]

True, I may have been slightly wrong on this one. I think my mind has always assumed that it meant towing them right back into shore. However, it may have meant just getting them back into Indonesian waters.
However, if so, this policy has no hope of working and just becomes a game of chasey. The boats will keep on coming back from Indonesian waters and being chased 'towed' back into them.
What a wasteful spending of billions of dollars and navy time!!

Compared to the billions that were spent letting them in over the last 4 years?
One lot of spending encourages more to come, the other is a deterrent.
I know which way I'd prefer the money to be spent.

It's not a deterrent though.

The cheapest option is onshore processing.

Knowing your boat has a much smaller chance of getting to Australia would be a deterrent to me. What am I missing?

They still make the journey. It's called desperation.

[Booney]

They still make the journey. It's called desperation.

Desperation costs around $6-8000 and includes a satellite phone to call relatives in Melbourne and update them on your progress.

[Q.]

They still make the journey. It's called desperation.

Desperation costs around $6-8000 and includes a satellite phone to call relatives in Melbourne and update them on your progress.

What they pay isn't relevant.

More than 90% of boat arrivals are found to be genuine refugees, regardless of what they had to sell to get here.

Plane arrivals account for more applications, but are twice as likely to be rejected. Yet, they are processed onshore and eligible for release into the community. There is no reason for boat arrivals to be treated any differently.

[Psyber]

What they pay isn't relevant.
More than 90% of boat arrivals are found to be genuine refugees, regardless of what they had to sell to get here.

Plane arrivals account for more applications, but are twice as likely to be rejected. Yet, they are processed onshore and eligible for release into the community. There is no reason for boat arrivals to be treated any differently.

Just checking for possible reasons for any difference as I haven't looked into it myself:
Is there much difference in the numbers arriving simultaneously by the two methods?
Have the plane arrivals supplied documents and applied for entry before arriving?

[Booney]

They still make the journey. It's called desperation.

Desperation costs around $6-8000 and includes a satellite phone to call relatives in Melbourne and update them on your progress.

What they pay isn't relevant.

More than 90% of boat arrivals are found to be genuine refugees, regardless of what they had to sell to get here.

Plane arrivals account for more applications, but are twice as likely to be rejected. Yet, they are processed onshore and eligible for release into the community. There is no reason for boat arrivals to be treated any differently.

What is the definition of "refugee"?

[Q.]

They still make the journey. It's called desperation.

Desperation costs around $6-8000 and includes a satellite phone to call relatives in Melbourne and update them on your progress.

What they pay isn't relevant.

More than 90% of boat arrivals are found to be genuine refugees, regardless of what they had to sell to get here.

Plane arrivals account for more applications, but are twice as likely to be rejected. Yet, they are processed onshore and eligible for release into the community. There is no reason for boat arrivals to be treated any differently.

What is the definition of "refugee"?

According to the Convention, a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:

race
religion
nationality
membership of a particular social group or
political opinion.

[Psyber]

According to the Convention, a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:

race
religion
nationality
membership of a particular social group or
political opinion.

And the nub is "well-founded" which can be difficult to establish one way or the other.

[Booney]

With such a broad definition, I feel for the +/- 10% who cant convince authorities that they are genuine refugees!!

It also states those that are "outside their country".........which, for mine reads, that you leave where you live and mount any case you can for not going back when arriving in another country.

Hey, I'm not arguing against peoples rights to seek assylum or refugee status but it looks like it would be fairly "easy" as a non-genuine applicant to appear "genuine".

[Q.]

With such a broad definition, I feel for the +/- 10% who cant convince authorities that they are genuine refugees!!

It also states those that are "outside their country".........which, for mine reads, that you leave where you live and mount any case you can for not going back when arriving in another country.

Hey, I'm not arguing against peoples rights to seek assylum or refugee status but it looks like it would be fairly "easy" as a non-genuine applicant to appear "genuine".

It's the 'economic migrants' who get rejected.

The validity of claims are assessed using the standards set under international law.

[Q.]

Hey, I'm not arguing against peoples rights to seek assylum or refugee status but it looks like it would be fairly "easy" as a non-genuine applicant to appear "genuine".

This ease, you know this how?

It's not up to the applicants to do the convincing. The relevant department follows protocol set out by international law.

[Leaping Lindner]

http://pulitzercenter.org/projects/sri- ... mil-tigers

[Q.]

http://pulitzercenter.org/projects/sri-lanka-kilinochchi-civil-war-human-rights-justice-tamil-tigers

And yet, it was the Tamils being called the terrorists.

[Booney]

Hey, I'm not arguing against peoples rights to seek assylum or refugee status but it looks like it would be fairly "easy" as a non-genuine applicant to appear "genuine".

This ease, you know this how?
It's not up to the applicants to do the convincing. The relevant department follows protocol set out by international law.

Well I dont. I'm looking at the terms used to define a refugee and as I said, I feel for the 10% or so who get denied that status. Three employees here at work have told me their stories, interesting.