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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby The Big Shrek » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:35 pm

BALLHOG wrote:
smac wrote:
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smac wrote:For what reason, ballhog?


I just think they deserve some recognition.

I reckon changing the flag would be seen as tokenism, not sure it will really provide the recognition deserved. I would like to see more efforts put into cultural recognitions. Something like booting Australia Day in exchange for a significant Aboriginal event/timing. I'm sure some change to the flag would assist in starting a process, but on its own wouldn't achieve much.

I also think a new flag is a better idea, rather than any of the existing Country/Cultural flags.


That is another great sugestion, If we become a republic we could piss the Queens Birthday off for a day of what you are sugesting.


I think we should keep Liz's birthday as well as getting a new holiday. Don't get carried away Ballhog, there aren't enough public holidays as it is.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby BALLHOG » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:08 am

I just think they deserve some recognition.[/quote]
I reckon changing the flag would be seen as tokenism, not sure it will really provide the recognition deserved. I would like to see more efforts put into cultural recognitions. Something like booting Australia Day in exchange for a significant Aboriginal event/timing. I'm sure some change to the flag would assist in starting a process, but on its own wouldn't achieve much.

I also think a new flag is a better idea, rather than any of the existing Country/Cultural flags.[/quote]

That is another great sugestion, If we become a republic we could piss the Queens Birthday off for a day of what you are sugesting.[/quote]

I think we should keep Liz's birthday as well as getting a new holiday. Don't get carried away Ballhog, there aren't enough public holidays as it is.[/quote]

Yeah I probably didn't think that through the more the better it's the Australian way.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby stan » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:18 pm

Changing the flag is a good way for frickin pollies to waste some time bitching at each other. I can imagine the bullshite press now, god even the global economic crisis would take a second seat to it.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby am Bays » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:21 pm

I'm sure all the bleeding hearts on here who were vociferous in there condemnation of the hypocrisies of the previous government will be quick to join me in questioning the latest offerings from our current federal government...

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24942163-5006301,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24936514-2682,00.html

Maybe the ESSP Mk II is selective in its recipiants.....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby overloaded » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:33 pm

He is an idiot.

I wonder what the unions will have to say about that. No claims for pay rises = nothing for them to do. He would have to be the most right winged labour MP ever - what a joke.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Cambridge Clarrie » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:32 pm

He'll really be on the nose come about six months time when there's no surplus left to spend.

I never thought he had any substance...
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby mick » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:41 pm

overloaded wrote:He is an idiot.

I wonder what the unions will have to say about that. No claims for pay rises = nothing for them to do. He would have to be the most right winged labour MP ever - what a joke.


Thank Christ for that, I'm almost starting to like this phoney :lol:
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:38 pm

I am not exactly a greens fan, but they are making sense in a scenario that is starting to look Whitlamesque:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/530 ... ay-greens/
The legislation includes a bill allowing the government to increase the limit it can borrow - from $75 billion to $200 billion - to service debt.
The Australian Greens meanwhile say, the Rudd government's economic stimulus package contains a $2.42 billion "typo".
It was an indication the $42 billion package was prepared in haste, leader Bob Brown said.
Senator Brown said there were errors in the legislation which highlighted the need for further scrutiny.
"A $252 million defence housing proposal turns up as $2.42 billion in the bill itself," he told reporters in Canberra.
"We're told it is a typo, but it's a multi-billion-dollar typo and it's an indication that this was done in haste."


Then there is Peter Costello in The Age:
“The Rudd you voted for is not the one you got.” by Peter Costello, MHR for Higgins.

The PM has been revealed as a Whitlamite in conservative clothing.
EVERY now and then you see a change in the political spin-cycle that is so audacious, so contradictory that you have to go back and check the facts — just to make sure you haven't imagined the whole thing.
That's what happened on the weekend.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd briefed the newspapers that "the great neo-liberal experiment of the past 30 years has failed" and "social democrats (will have) to save capitalism from itself". That's what he's saying now.
Go to the record. Twelve months ago, on January 21, 2008, Kevin Rudd laid out the path for his Government as follows: "Prior to the election, we ran as fiscal conservatives. With the election behind us, we now intend to govern as fiscal conservatives … Today I announce a fiscal target that will guide our decision making … a budget surplus of at least 1.5 per cent of GDP … This will require a determined, disciplined approach to spending."
You see, Rudd the fiscal conservative of 2008 was attacking the Coalition government because it hadn't cut spending enough.
He promised to do more. He wasn't worried about all those "neo-liberal" ideas on careful spending, balanced budgets and low debt. He was complaining it hadn't gone far enough.
And by the time of the May budget (Rudd's first and only budget to date) he was boasting how much better he had done.
The budget speech boasted a surplus of 1.8 per cent of GDP "built on disciplined spending with the lowest real increase … in nearly a decade".
In other words, forget about all those weak namby-pamby Liberal Party budget surpluses. Labor would show who was really the tough economic manager. Last year Labor was billing itself as the true apostle of expenditure restraint and smaller government.
A budget is only a projection of what a government intends to do. The budget outcome records what actually occurred.
The 2008 budget bears no relation to what will actually happen. It should be filed with Labor's budget of 1996 — in the fiction section of the Parliamentary library. It has no other use.
Then comes the change of the spin cycle. All those ideas of expenditure restraint and small government? Just a failed experiment; a load of nonsense. (And the biggest nonsense of all was the TV ad Labor ran before the 2007 election where a beaming Kevin Rudd declares: "A number of people have described me as an economic conservative. When it comes to public finance, it's a badge I wear with pride." You can still see it on YouTube.)
Late last year the Government delivered more than $10 billion (1 per cent of GDP, 4 per cent of Commonwealth outlays) to pensioners and families and asked them to spend it before Christmas. Many didn't. Very sensibly they thought they should pay off some debt or put away something for the future. The Government urged them to spend it all at once so it could massage the retail figures in the December National Accounts.
Last week Treasurer Wayne Swan claimed the payment was successful because Woolworths had good sales results in December. If the purpose of the payment was to boost Woolworths sales, the Government should have bought the goods itself and then distributed them to pensioners and families directly. This would have got all the money out the door. But it is low quality use of $10 billion.
Now we are in the March quarter and there is nothing lasting to show for that $10 billion. So the Government is looking at new ways to massage the current quarter's results.
But in case everything goes wrong, it's not the fault of Rudd or his Government. It's all the fault of a great neo-liberal conspiracy — and you guessed it — the Liberal government.
No Australian bank has suffered a run or collapse. In fact our major commercial banks are all in the top credit bracket of the world's banks. There has been no regulatory failure in Australia. The only institutions that have had trouble are those debenture funds that had to freeze redemption because of Rudd's ill-considered deposit guarantee.
Rudd inherited a government with no net debt and a budget surplus of $20 billion. Which socialist or social democratic government did better than the Coalition in Australia? Name a country in a stronger position in 2007.
Rudd claims there has been a 30-year failure — enough to cover the Howard-Costello government, the Hawke-Keating government and the Fraser government, taking us right back to which economic success story?
You guessed it. Gough Whitlam.
It is hard to tell if Rudd was always just a big spending Whitlamite who managed to con the public with all that stuff about being an economic conservative or whether his dexterity results from the fact he has no strong economic convictions one way or another. His about-face from last year to this is a matter of wonder and awe. By normal political standards it is media spin that stands in a class of its own.
Personally I think the Labor government is over-reacting, and magnifying the fear and panic.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Voice » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:34 pm

Rudd made the mistake of not forseeing the financial crisis, as did everyone i might add. Of course the financial landscape is going to change from time to time, but to this extent no-one could have predicted. This would have caused any politician to contradict themselves.
As i said in another post, the best way to help this country is to make sure you buy AUSTRALIAN MADE with the handout if you're entitled to it. That way you'll create jobs, the government will still get their GST and any debt our country will be in due to the stimulus package will be recovered much quicker.

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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:33 am

I can see people queueing up to buy those Aussie made Plasma TVs, etc.
What is Aussie made anymore since we lowered tariff barriers and started exporting all our manufacturing?
I remember buying Australian made in 1975 - a Rank Arena TV set...
Now we can still get Berri orange juice, but I'm never sure that is totally free of Chilean juice either.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Voice » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:19 pm

Psyber wrote:I can see people queueing up to buy those Aussie made Plasma TVs, etc.
What is Aussie made anymore since we lowered tariff barriers and started exporting all our manufacturing?
I remember buying Australian made in 1975 - a Rank Arena TV set...
Now we can still get Berri orange juice, but I'm never sure that is totally free of Chilean juice either.

You need a plasma to make sure you get through the crisis, do you? Why is it that when money starts coming in people want to buy something that makes them sit on their a#$e and get fat. If you can't find anything Australian made then spend it at your locally owned store. Or maybe buy $950 worth Of Mcdonalds to help with the tv watching and sitting around :roll: .
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Psyber » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:15 am

Voice wrote:
Psyber wrote:I can see people queueing up to buy those Aussie made Plasma TVs, etc.
What is Aussie made anymore since we lowered tariff barriers and started exporting all our manufacturing?
I remember buying Australian made in 1975 - a Rank Arena TV set...
Now we can still get Berri orange juice, but I'm never sure that is totally free of Chilean juice either.
You need a plasma to make sure you get through the crisis, do you? Why is it that when money starts coming in people want to buy something that makes them sit on their a#$e and get fat. If you can't find anything Australian made then spend it at your locally owned store. Or maybe buy $950 worth Of Mcdonalds to help with the tv watching and sitting around :roll: .
I was joking about Plasma TV, mate, in consistency with all the ongoing jokes about this being where all these bonus payments go. I still have an old CRT parked where I can watch something if I want too, and it is not even in the main living room [or the bedroom]. I haven't eaten McDonalds in years either..

I am serious though about the view that dropping tariff barriers to keep CPI figures, and thus wage demands, down during the Hawke "Accord" with the unions was a disaster for manufacturing and maintaining employment in Australia, even if it did give us cheap goods from China to replace the more expensive ones previously made here..
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Voice » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:17 pm

Sorry champ. This topic gets me a bit heated. You're definately right with the fact that Aussie business isn't being looked after the way it should and in the last 5-10 years the amount of Australian made stuff has been steadily in decline. I just reckon we have to try and keep the money here as much as possible.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby overloaded » Mon May 10, 2010 9:18 am

He's on the nose (finally)....could be bye bye Mr Rudd
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Cambridge Clarrie » Mon May 10, 2010 3:52 pm

overloaded wrote:He's on the nose (finally)....could be bye bye Mr Rudd


Let's hope...

The man has no integrity or conviction in his beliefs. We all realised that when his strip club secrets shattered his alter boy facade.

I'm not too happy that he's pissed my hard earned (sometimes) tax dollars up against the wall on the bungled insulation scheme and the school rorts scandal. Thank god Abbott beat that dud Turnbull for the leadership, or else we might all be living with an ETS hanging pointlessly over our heads.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby southee » Mon May 10, 2010 9:28 pm

Im quietly sitting back waiting for the election....

but all I can say is "I told you so...." ;)
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Leaping Lindner » Tue May 11, 2010 12:51 am

Rudd's popularity nose dives but Abbott's doesn't move a smidgeon.
I wonder where those voters are going???? ;)
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby Cambridge Clarrie » Tue May 11, 2010 10:01 am

Leaping Lindner wrote:Rudd's popularity nose dives but Abbott's doesn't move a smidgeon.
I wonder where those voters are going???? ;)


Spot on, which really means back to Labor.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby mick » Tue May 11, 2010 1:19 pm

Cambridge Clarrie wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:Rudd's popularity nose dives but Abbott's doesn't move a smidgeon.
I wonder where those voters are going???? ;)


Spot on, which really means back to Labor.


I think 2 party preferred is the significant figure, polling of recent times has it pretty well 50:50, this is a significant swing away from Labor in comparison to 2007 election. So it isn't all going to the greens. The interesting thing will be the next set of polls after today's budget.
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Re: bye bye Mr Rudd

Postby southee » Wed May 12, 2010 10:20 pm

Dont know if anyone saw the 730pm report tonight (wed) ....Kerry got stuck right into Rudd.

Kerry had Rudd "cracking" a bit too :lol:

Rudd was very uncomfortable with the interview.
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