The Greatest Treasurer

[Jimmy_041]

Cut a few media advisers and double the pension and I'll agree with you they've achieved something

[dedja]

... and power costs have sky rocketed which will have an ongoing cumulative effect on household budgets.

Not that the Federal government has much control over power prices, other than spooking the industry with a carbon tax which will make a few power generators extinct.

[redandblack]

Dare I say it, dedja, but tax rates have decreased as well

(runs and hides..... )

[Jimmy_041]

Dare I say it, dedja, but tax rates have decreased as well

(runs and hides..... )

The SA Government certainly noticed that and have taken up the slack for us

[Dirko]

I don't think I picked up my bat and went home, though. I'm pretty sure I stayed and answered with some facts, something noticeably missing in your posts?

FACT: My bills have risen considerably over the past few years, and I use the same as I previously had, or are you calling me a liar?

Want me to scan them and post on here so you can see them through your own slanted view?

And weren't you and someone else having cracks at other posters about stating fact without providing any actual backup (ie links).

[redandblack]

FACT: I haven't said your bills aren't going up. I haven't called you a liar. I've given the factual figures for CPI which takes a huge range of costs into account. It's the only factual measure we have.

My 'slanted view' is just my view, no more or less slanted than yours. If my view is slanted, so are the official figures, so take it up with the ABS and give me a break.

If you want a link to the CPI figures

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6401.0

[Dirko]

I'm pretty sure I stayed and answered with some facts, something noticeably missing in your posts?

So here you go;

The most significant price rises this quarter were for electricity (+7.8%), water and sewerage (+8.6%) and property rates and charges (+5.2%).

The most significant price falls this quarter were for automotive fuel (–1.4%), vegetables (–2.5%), and fruit (–1.2%).


I've deleted the groups that don't apply to myself or family. That explains my reason for my previous post or isn't that good enough for you and perhaps too anecdotal despite gleaming the above from the same ABS page where you got the CPI from?

[Bat Pad]

How do they come up with the 3.5% figure? Is that the average increase/decrase over a number of living costs?

[redandblack]

Would you like to show me where I've disagreed with you that your costs have gone up?

Lose the aggro, read what I've said and you'll see that I've just quoted the official stats. They haven't got the time to ask every family in Australia what their individual circumstances are.

While you look for your quote, you'll notice that you're the only one of us to get personal, so how about sticking to the issue?

[Dirko]

How do they come up with the 3.5% figure? Is that the average increase/decrase over a number of living costs?

Yep.

Groups are;

Food and non–alcoholic beverages, Alcohol and tobacco, Clothing and footwear, Housing, Furnishings, household equipment and services, Health, Transport, Communication, Recreation and culture, Education & Insurance and financial services.

[redandblack]

How do they come up with the 3.5% figure? Is that the average increase/decrase over a number of living costs?

Yes, BP, the measure the changes in a wide range of services and goods.

The link I showed a few posts ago gives a fair bit of easy to read detail.

As SJABC says, it's not perfect, but it does give as accurate a gauge as is reasonably possible and is the same measure, with some modifications over the years, as has been used for decades now.

[Dirko]

Would you like to show me where I've disagreed with you that your costs have gone up?

Lose the aggro, read what I've said and you'll see that I've just quoted the official stats. They haven't got the time to ask every family in Australia what their individual circumstances are.

While you look for your quote, you'll notice that you're the only one of us to get personal, so how about sticking to the issue?

I should just stick to anecdotal evidence and we can abolish the official CPI figures, because it doesn't suit some peoples' arguments.

I provided the evidence in a post a littler higher. Is that good enough?

What agro? I've provided the FACTS too. And how was I getting personal.

You seem to roll that out all the time, as soon as someone doesn't agree with you. It's a politics forum. EVERYTHING is personal. You seem to think putting in the rolling eyes thing is not personal or is using a simile OK and deemed as not being a personal reply?

So when you use them are you rolling your eyes or just putting them in as a way to degrade the persons reply who dared reply to you?

Political opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Just some stink more then others....ohh yeah

All good with that baby in!

[Bat Pad]

How do they come up with the 3.5% figure? Is that the average increase/decrase over a number of living costs?

Yes, BP, the measure the changes in a wide range of services and goods.

The link I showed a few posts ago gives a fair bit of easy to read detail.

As SJABC says, it's not perfect, but it does give as accurate a gauge as is reasonably possible and is the same measure, with some modifications over the years, as has been used for decades now.

I fail to see how it could be an accurate gauge at all if it is done that simplistically, because the percentage figures they are using to find that average would vary greatly from their corresponding dollar figures over the period. For example.

Housing costs per month are $1000
Petrol costs per month are $200

Housing increases over the period by 1.0%, correlating to a $10 rise
Petrol costs decrease by -2.0%, correlating to a $4 decrease.

That would mean a $6 per month increase in the cost of living. Yet the CPI figure over the period would be -0.5%, saying my costs have gone down, even though they have gone up.

That would make that figure totally worthless as any sort of a guide.

I assume it must be more complex, as the stat is used as a guide and has been for a while.

Just trying to get my head around it

[redandblack]

"I should just stick to anecdotal evidence and we can abolish the official CPI figures, because it doesn't suit some peoples' arguments".

You call that being personal

This is being personal

That's what I love about you R & B, as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, you're like the kid in the playground who picks up his cricket bat and goes home.

You then throw in a few of these or

You live in your bubble, and keep on rolling sunshine.....

Are you seriously suggesting that I'm the only poster on the Politics Board to use ?

Or to defend my point of view?

I'll leave you to continue pondering the relevant stink rating of arseholes (big smiley)

[redandblack]

Good questions, BP.

I think there are actually two measures, the CPI index and the underlying measure of inflation, which smooths out the bumps of unusual or once-off happenings.

In calculating the CPI, I'm pretty sure each component is weighted so that it's as accurate as possible.

I'll try to find out more.

[Gozu]

Yes, pensions have risen considerably higher under this Labor govt than they were under the Howard govt yet the gap between the pension and the dole (Newstart) has never been bigger.

Why hasn't the dole gone up despite the recommendations saying it should and the higher cost of living? Oh yeah no votes in that.

[dedja]

No-one gives a rats about the bludgers

Sorry, I'm new to this ... not sure if I should finish with a or

[Q.]

No emoticons allowed in the politics forum!!1!

[dedja]

Doh! (slaps forehead)

[Dirko]

No emoticons allowed in the politics forum!!1!

Don't worry I found yours....