by redandblack » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:56 pm
by overloaded » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:22 pm
fish wrote:our_longreach wrote:Kevin Rudd's reign as saviour of the Labor Party is almost over...
He has dug himself into a hole by lying about what happened in WA and the government will further expose this truth this week. Politically he is finished and all the hard work he has done in the last couple of months building his status and credibility is now a waste of time. Can't see him making it to the election. The Labor party need to win key marginal seats in WA to have any chance in the election. There will be turmoil again as they fight amongst themselves to get yet another leader, perhaps Gillard??
The Labor party will be back to the same old tricks.....
Well longreach after 3 years, 3 months and 3 weeks your prediction re Rudd and Gillard finally happened!
therealROSSCO wrote:Now listen to this loud and clear.....
I have not been approached to coach at the WFC this year, next year or any year. I have not approached the WFC to coach this year, next year or any year. This is an unconditional statement.
by redandblack » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:26 pm
southee wrote:Hes gone!!!!!
Thanks for f**king up the country Ruddy!!!
by southee » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:41 pm
redandblack wrote:southee wrote:Hes gone!!!!!
Thanks for f**king up the country Ruddy!!!
Welcome to Southee's world.
Unemployment very low.
Inflation under control
Interest rates still low
About the only country in the world not to be in recession recently.
Hope Gillard **** it up too
by redandblack » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:54 pm
by southee » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:18 pm
redandblack wrote:Yes, Labor politicians had a difference of opinion. Perhaps they're trying to catch up with Opposition Leader Nelson, whoops, sorry, Turnbull. That's it, Turnbull. Oh no, sorry, it's Abbott. I thought it might have been Costello for a while.
I'll leave your world to you, southee, mate, it's a bit too politically one-dimensional for me.
I do give you credit for being a Panthers stalwart, though
by Squawk » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:30 pm
redandblack wrote:southee wrote:Hes gone!!!!!
Thanks for f**king up the country Ruddy!!!
Welcome to Southee's world.
Unemployment very low.
Inflation under control
Interest rates still low
About the only country in the world not to be in recession recently.
Hope Gillard **** it up too
by southee » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:24 pm
Squawk wrote:redandblack wrote:southee wrote:Hes gone!!!!!
Thanks for f**king up the country Ruddy!!!
Welcome to Southee's world.
Unemployment very low.
Inflation under control
Interest rates still low
About the only country in the world not to be in recession recently.
Hope Gillard **** it up too
Southee might be Generation X like me. A generation who, branching out in to the world after school amidst Keating's recession we had to have, was confronted with HECS fees and told to go forth and make good. Do something for yourself and your country, and good luck getting a job.
Since then, women have entered the workforce in the professional ranks. (No problems with that). But the outcome is the double income household which effectively means needing 2 incomes to have the same buying income that one income had for the baby boomers.
These working women now have kids much later. But under the Rudd govt, fear not. Because many of Generation X (after 20 years of hard study and career climbing) have delayed life progressions in the name of careers that have built the economy nicely. So now Kevin et al impose the $150k ceiling, and everything above that seems to be means tested. No baby bonus for those starting families later than the baby boomers. Extra Child Care places cancelled and rebates means tested. On the news the other night they said more and more women are going through IVF as older families become the norm, yet those women who have to go through IVF because they have pursued careers now find that this costs more now after rebates were slashed. Generation x have to compulsorily pay private health or be slugged extra tax. The list goes on and on. I'd love to supply an even more comprehensive list but haven't got the time right now.
So for all their hard work, paying off HECS, living at home to the age of 25+ for many before joining the workforce, then trying to buy a car, a house, get married etc, they now have to pay a lot lot more for their reward. And yes, they also have to pay for their parents to get old and sick, and build a future for their kids through infrastructure and the like. And their grandparents cant get aged care places so they will have to pay for private home help.
Yes, if you are in generation x, you are a member of the sandwich generation. You are paying more for yourself, your forebears and your descedants, and all at once.
So where is the incentive to stick with a career that you've spent 20 years building, at a great financial and social cost? Whilst direct tax cuts may have been applied, the indirect "taxes" have gone up hugely and it means that if you are in the Labor govts $150K plus bracket, you end up with f*** all help and the expectation that you will pay for the country to simply survive. Wonder how many generation x'ers have had enough of being easy targets for the double dip of govt revenue clawbacks and then having to pay more for everything as well? And I wonder how they will vote?
by mick » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:26 pm
Squawk wrote:redandblack wrote:southee wrote:Hes gone!!!!!
Thanks for f**king up the country Ruddy!!!
Welcome to Southee's world.
Unemployment very low.
Inflation under control
Interest rates still low
About the only country in the world not to be in recession recently.
Hope Gillard **** it up too
Southee might be Generation X like me. A generation who, branching out in to the world after school amidst Keating's recession we had to have, was confronted with HECS fees and told to go forth and make good. Do something for yourself and your country, and good luck getting a job.
Since then, women have entered the workforce in the professional ranks. (No problems with that). But the outcome is the double income household which effectively means needing 2 incomes to have the same buying income that one income had for the baby boomers.
These working women now have kids much later. But under the Rudd govt, fear not. Because many of Generation X (after 20 years of hard study and career climbing) have delayed life progressions in the name of careers that have built the economy nicely. So now Kevin et al impose the $150k ceiling, and everything above that seems to be means tested. No baby bonus for those starting families later than the baby boomers. Extra Child Care places cancelled and rebates means tested. On the news the other night they said more and more women are going through IVF as older families become the norm, yet those women who have to go through IVF because they have pursued careers now find that this costs more now after rebates were slashed. Generation x have to compulsorily pay private health or be slugged extra tax. The list goes on and on. I'd love to supply an even more comprehensive list but haven't got the time right now.
So for all their hard work, paying off HECS, living at home to the age of 25+ for many before joining the workforce, then trying to buy a car, a house, get married etc, they now have to pay a lot lot more for their reward. And yes, they also have to pay for their parents to get old and sick, and build a future for their kids through infrastructure and the like. And their grandparents cant get aged care places so they will have to pay for private home help.
Yes, if you are in generation x, you are a member of the sandwich generation. You are paying more for yourself, your forebears and your descedants, and all at once.
So where is the incentive to stick with a career that you've spent 20 years building, at a great financial and social cost? Whilst direct tax cuts may have been applied, the indirect "taxes" have gone up hugely and it means that if you are in the Labor govts $150K plus bracket, you end up with f*** all help and the expectation that you will pay for the country to simply survive. Wonder how many generation x'ers have had enough of being easy targets for the double dip of govt revenue clawbacks and then having to pay more for everything as well? And I wonder how they will vote?
by Dirko » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:35 pm
by southee » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:45 pm
by Q. » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:12 am
by Squawk » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:28 am
mick wrote:My memory is going who introduced HECS?
by Squawk » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:31 am
Quichey wrote:If they have any sense they'll call an election sooner rather than later and we'll have to make a choice soon anyway.
by redandblack » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:07 am
by Magpiespower » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:40 am
by Magpiespower » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:28 am
redandblack wrote:Abbott already had your vote.
by redandblack » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:40 am
by Voice » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:45 am
redandblack wrote:Squawk and Southee, you're right, it might be a generation thing.
As a Baby Boomer, it's never occurred to me that your lives are so difficult as you struggle along on over $150,000. And not getting the Baby Bonus Of course, that didn't exist for Baby Boomers. There used to be a Child Endowment, which was a pittance. And extra Child Care places cancelled - what were Child Care places? And rebates means tested! What were rebates?
You're right, having to pay a private health insurance levy just because you're in a top income bracket is a disgrace.
Last I looked, it wasn't "Labor's $150K plus bracket", unless you'll agree it was the Liberal's $100K plus bracket. I presume you're pissed off that Labor raised the limit?
And you're the sandwich generation, looking after yourself and paying for your parents to get old and sick.
And your employers paying superannuation for you (courtesy of you beloved Paul Keating).
And where did you get the idea that Baby Boomers only generally had only one wage earner?
You're right, you are Generation X
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