Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

[bulldogproud2]

Well, now we have the chance to see if Tony has any integrity at all. After all the rantings and ravings about Craig Thomson's misappropriation of union funds, he has no choice but to sack both George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce from his front bench after their misappropriation of thousands of dollars of taxpayer's money.
Things are just going from bad to worse to outright ugly for this government.

they are? No worries Bill...

I wouldn't think being in government for 2 weeks would be able to change the issues that the former government had caused?

Oh, these are definitely all of their own making, such as:
Appointing a Minister for ANZAC Day but no Minister for Aged Care, Disability Services, Science nor Multicultural Affairs
Secondly, political interference resulting in Abbott's Chief of Staff getting off a DUI despite pleading guilty.
Thirdly, the appalling situation re only one woman in Cabinet.
Fourthly, creating huge problems with Indonesia over foreign policy.
Fifthly, having nothing to say but 'no comment' when asylum seekers died at sea.
Sixthly, the Deputy Leader and the Attorney General being found guilty of misappropriating taxpayer funds.
Seventhly, deciding that their NBN policy was not correct after all and going back to the drawing board to nut out a new policy
Eighthly, despite going on for years and years re the need for a surplus, announcing that they will not be aiming for a surplus at all in their term
Ninthly, the debacle Chris Pyne has already made of the Education portfolio, with very poor ideas re student amenities and caps on education. He has already made it clear he only wants children from wealthy families to receive a university education.
Tenthly, sacking heads of important departments simply because they don't agree with Abbott's political view.
Eleventh, seeing the whole board of the NBN resign because of the dreadful policy of the new government

All of this has happened within the first two weeks of the new government, mind you!!

Cheers

[Bully]

Well, now we have the chance to see if Tony has any integrity at all. After all the rantings and ravings about Craig Thomson's misappropriation of union funds, he has no choice but to sack both George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce from his front bench after their misappropriation of thousands of dollars of taxpayer's money.
Things are just going from bad to worse to outright ugly for this government.

they are? No worries Bill...

I wouldn't think being in government for 2 weeks would be able to change the issues that the former government had caused?

Oh, these are definitely all of their own making, such as:
Appointing a Minister for ANZAC Day but no Minister for Aged Care, Disability Services, Science nor Multicultural Affairs
Secondly, political interference resulting in Abbott's Chief of Staff getting off a DUI despite pleading guilty.
Thirdly, the appalling situation re only one woman in Cabinet.
Fourthly, creating huge problems with Indonesia over foreign policy.
Fifthly, having nothing to say but 'no comment' when asylum seekers died at sea.
Sixthly, the Deputy Leader and the Attorney General being found guilty of misappropriating taxpayer funds.
Seventhly, deciding that their NBN policy was not correct after all and going back to the drawing board to nut out a new policy
Eighthly, despite going on for years and years re the need for a surplus, announcing that they will not be aiming for a surplus at all in their term
Ninthly, the debacle Chris Pyne has already made of the Education portfolio, with very poor ideas re student amenities and caps on education. He has already made it clear he only wants children from wealthy families to receive a university education.
Tenthly, sacking heads of important departments simply because they don't agree with Abbott's political view.
Eleventh, seeing the whole board of the NBN resign because of the dreadful policy of the new government

All of this has happened within the first two weeks of the new government, mind you!!

Cheers

so we wont talk about the debacle of "polices" from the previous government in their period of running the country. We will just focus on 2 weeks of polices/issues/changes from a new government only been in for 2 weeks.. Of course we wont

[GWW]

I wouldnt necedsarily agree with ALL of BP2's points, but would certainly agree it hasnt been a fantastic start for them.

Theyd be realising now that they no longer have freedom of Opposition - they are actually responsible for things now, and can be judged accordingly.

It will be intetesting to see if/when they start ticking a few boxes.

They'll have a bit more of a honeymoon period yet, admittedly (it is still early days).

[Bully]

I wouldnt necedsarily agree with ALL of BP2's points, but would certainly agree it hasnt been a fantastic start for them.

Theyd be realising now that they no longer have freedom of Opposition - they are actually responsible for things now, and can be judged accordingly.

It will be intetesting to see if/when they start ticking a few boxes.

They'll have a bit more of a honeymoon period yet, admittedly (it is still early days).

but Mr snake in the grass said last week " the honeymoon period for the Abbott government is over? So it must be if he says it?

[bulldogproud2]

Well, now we have the chance to see if Tony has any integrity at all. After all the rantings and ravings about Craig Thomson's misappropriation of union funds, he has no choice but to sack both George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce from his front bench after their misappropriation of thousands of dollars of taxpayer's money.
Things are just going from bad to worse to outright ugly for this government.

they are? No worries Bill...

I wouldn't think being in government for 2 weeks would be able to change the issues that the former government had caused?

Oh, these are definitely all of their own making, such as:
Appointing a Minister for ANZAC Day but no Minister for Aged Care, Disability Services, Science nor Multicultural Affairs
Secondly, political interference resulting in Abbott's Chief of Staff getting off a DUI despite pleading guilty.
Thirdly, the appalling situation re only one woman in Cabinet.
Fourthly, creating huge problems with Indonesia over foreign policy.
Fifthly, having nothing to say but 'no comment' when asylum seekers died at sea.
Sixthly, the Deputy Leader and the Attorney General being found guilty of misappropriating taxpayer funds.
Seventhly, deciding that their NBN policy was not correct after all and going back to the drawing board to nut out a new policy
Eighthly, despite going on for years and years re the need for a surplus, announcing that they will not be aiming for a surplus at all in their term
Ninthly, the debacle Chris Pyne has already made of the Education portfolio, with very poor ideas re student amenities and caps on education. He has already made it clear he only wants children from wealthy families to receive a university education.
Tenthly, sacking heads of important departments simply because they don't agree with Abbott's political view.
Eleventh, seeing the whole board of the NBN resign because of the dreadful policy of the new government

All of this has happened within the first two weeks of the new government, mind you!!

Cheers

so we wont talk about the debacle of "polices" from the previous government in their period of running the country. We will just focus on 2 weeks of polices/issues/changes from a new government only been in for 2 weeks.. Of course we wont

Yes, there were errors made by the Labor Government, especially with the infighting. However, it cannot be denied that they managed to have Australia operating as the most effective Western economy, with the lowest unemployment rate, third highest GDP and second lowest Debt/GDP ratio of any developed nation.
They also would at least inform the public continually of what was happening, unlike the Liberal Party with their policy of nondisclosure. How Scott Morrison can go from wanting full disclosure of every single boat arrival when in opposition to wanting total nondisclosure when in government is beyond me!
Also, at least the Labor Government wanted to govern, not just have the status of being in government. Abbott seems quite happy to never ever have parliament actually sit!!!!!
Btw, if we already have about a dozen stuff-ups made by this new government, God help us for the rest of their term!!!!
Cheers

[Bully]

Also, at least the Labor Government wanted to govern, not just have the status of being in government. Abbott seems quite happy to never ever have parliament actually sit!!!!!

Cheers

so it was ok that K Rudd himself jetted overseas and missed the first 2 weeks (nearly) of the next sitting in the lower house when he and the labor party was elected in 2007? But its not ok for tony to not have the lower house sit as yet

yeah, I suppose having a policy which causes the deaths of the workers that were working in/with this policy is much better..Just to name one of them.
And don't start with "what happened at sea just the past few days" because plenty , unfortunately, people have drowned while the labor party was in government.


cheers

[Jimmy_041]

Well, now we have the chance to see if Tony has any integrity at all. After all the rantings and ravings about Craig Thomson's misappropriation of union funds, he has no choice but to sack both George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce from his front bench after their misappropriation of thousands of dollars of taxpayer's money.
Things are just going from bad to worse to outright ugly for this government.

they are? No worries Bill...

I wouldn't think being in government for 2 weeks would be able to change the issues that the former government had caused?

Oh, these are definitely all of their own making, such as:
Appointing a Minister for ANZAC Day but no Minister for Aged Care, Disability Services, Science nor Multicultural Affairs
Secondly, political interference resulting in Abbott's Chief of Staff getting off a DUI despite pleading guilty.
Thirdly, the appalling situation re only one woman in Cabinet.
Fourthly, creating huge problems with Indonesia over foreign policy.
Fifthly, having nothing to say but 'no comment' when asylum seekers died at sea.
Sixthly, the Deputy Leader and the Attorney General being found guilty of misappropriating taxpayer funds.
Seventhly, deciding that their NBN policy was not correct after all and going back to the drawing board to nut out a new policy
Eighthly, despite going on for years and years re the need for a surplus, announcing that they will not be aiming for a surplus at all in their term
Ninthly, the debacle Chris Pyne has already made of the Education portfolio, with very poor ideas re student amenities and caps on education. He has already made it clear he only wants children from wealthy families to receive a university education.
Tenthly, sacking heads of important departments simply because they don't agree with Abbott's political view.
Eleventh, seeing the whole board of the NBN resign because of the dreadful policy of the new government

All of this has happened within the first two weeks of the new government, mind you!!

Cheers

What a load of tripe

[Gozu]

yeah, I suppose having a policy which causes the deaths of the workers that were working in/with this policy is much better..Just to name one of them.

Come again? How did that policy in any way cause the death of workers?

Might've had something to do with shonky bosses either not training their employees well enough or worse deliberately putting them in harms way.

[Bully]

yeah, I suppose having a policy which causes the deaths of the workers that were working in/with this policy is much better..Just to name one of them.

Come again? How did that policy in any way cause the death of workers?

Might've had something to do with shonky bosses either not training their employees well enough or worse deliberately putting them in harms way.

so there was enough safety training provided by the government then? I must have forgot that part. There was enough time and effort put in to see the risks for it, another part I forgot about. There was enough knowledge and proper precautions to weed out the companies that were just there to make an easy buck, yes , must have forgotten about that....
Yes , I worded it wrong. I know it was not the main factor of it, but the policy itself was to blame, in some ways

The government at the time admitted it was wrong and they didn't do enough for it

[Gozu]

It's not up to the government of the day to provide training to a company's employees, you know this.

You can make an argument that not enough was done to weed out dodgy employers but at the end of the day there will always be dodgy bosses that put profits before people and that it was stimulus spending that needed to be thrown into the economy quickly to help keep us afloat.

That Rudd bowed to the News Ltd campaign and apologised was one of the weakest acts I've seen from a PM, he hung Garrett out to dry.

[Bully]

It's not up to the government of the day to provide training to a company's employees, you know this.

You can make an argument that not enough was done to weed out dodgy employers but at the end of the day there will always be dodgy bosses that put profits before people and that it was stimulus spending that needed to be thrown into the economy quickly to help keep us afloat.

That Rudd bowed to the News Ltd campaign and apologised was one of the weakest acts I've seen from a PM, he hung Garrett out to dry.

it would have helped if more thought was put into it.

[bulldogproud2]

Well, now we have the chance to see if Tony has any integrity at all. After all the rantings and ravings about Craig Thomson's misappropriation of union funds, he has no choice but to sack both George Brandis and Barnaby Joyce from his front bench after their misappropriation of thousands of dollars of taxpayer's money.
Things are just going from bad to worse to outright ugly for this government.

they are? No worries Bill...

I wouldn't think being in government for 2 weeks would be able to change the issues that the former government had caused?

Oh, these are definitely all of their own making, such as:
Appointing a Minister for ANZAC Day but no Minister for Aged Care, Disability Services, Science nor Multicultural Affairs
Secondly, political interference resulting in Abbott's Chief of Staff getting off a DUI despite pleading guilty.
Thirdly, the appalling situation re only one woman in Cabinet.
Fourthly, creating huge problems with Indonesia over foreign policy.
Fifthly, having nothing to say but 'no comment' when asylum seekers died at sea.
Sixthly, the Deputy Leader and the Attorney General being found guilty of misappropriating taxpayer funds.
Seventhly, deciding that their NBN policy was not correct after all and going back to the drawing board to nut out a new policy
Eighthly, despite going on for years and years re the need for a surplus, announcing that they will not be aiming for a surplus at all in their term
Ninthly, the debacle Chris Pyne has already made of the Education portfolio, with very poor ideas re student amenities and caps on education. He has already made it clear he only wants children from wealthy families to receive a university education.
Tenthly, sacking heads of important departments simply because they don't agree with Abbott's political view.
Eleventh, seeing the whole board of the NBN resign because of the dreadful policy of the new government

All of this has happened within the first two weeks of the new government, mind you!!

Cheers

What a load of tripe

So typical of you, Jimmy. You will call it tripe but you cannot validly dispute one point of it. Go on, point out what is incorrect in these points rather than just acting ignorantly as usual..

[bulldogproud2]

It's not up to the government of the day to provide training to a company's employees, you know this.

You can make an argument that not enough was done to weed out dodgy employers but at the end of the day there will always be dodgy bosses that put profits before people and that it was stimulus spending that needed to be thrown into the economy quickly to help keep us afloat.

That Rudd bowed to the News Ltd campaign and apologised was one of the weakest acts I've seen from a PM, he hung Garrett out to dry.

it would have helped if more thought was put into it.

Bully, the government cannot expect employers to be as shonky as they were. This is not their fault at all, but the fault of small business owners, who generally tend to be Liberal voters btw

[bulldogproud2]

Also, at least the Labor Government wanted to govern, not just have the status of being in government. Abbott seems quite happy to never ever have parliament actually sit!!!!!

Cheers

so it was ok that K Rudd himself jetted overseas and missed the first 2 weeks (nearly) of the next sitting in the lower house when he and the labor party was elected in 2007? But its not ok for tony to not have the lower house sit as yet

yeah, I suppose having a policy which causes the deaths of the workers that were working in/with this policy is much better..Just to name one of them.
And don't start with "what happened at sea just the past few days" because plenty , unfortunately, people have drowned while the labor party was in government.


cheers

The Labor Party never denied that there were people who died at sea, tragedies sadly do occur. However, at the same time, they did not promise that no one would die at sea anymore as boats would be turned back. This was a promise made by one Tony Abbott.
Also, you do not want your Head of Government to attend important meetings overseas, like Rudd did? Additionally, the government is far more than one person. At least Labor went on with the business of governing, unlike the Liberal Party this year.

Cheers

[Bully]

not really no, I would want my new leader to be sorting out things at home, instead of jetting overseas for a holiday

cheers

[bulldogproud2]

not really no, I would want my new leader to be sorting out things at home, instead of jetting overseas for a holiday

cheers

Kk, but at least you should agree that the new leader should be doing something, rather than just sitting in the Lodge humming a few bars and enjoying the view.
It would be sad though if Rudd did not attend the G20 meetings when he was Prime Minister as you would advocate. Sort of places Australia way down the list of importance on the international scale.

Cheers

[Sky Pilot]

http://bit.ly/18ACPiC

Brandis has paid it back as he should. Was certainly drawing a long bow with that claim.

[Jimmy_041]

I just thought I'd let you make another typically ignorant comment before I responded in length bp2. I was properly rewarded.
I will knock them off individually - easier ones first

[Gozu]

The Libs George Brandis caught out charging tax-payers for attending the wedding of a shock jock:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/george-brandi ... 2um4m.html

[Psyber]

not really no, I would want my new leader to be sorting out things at home, instead of jetting overseas for a holiday
cheers

Kk, but at least you should agree that the new leader should be doing something, rather than just sitting in the Lodge humming a few bars and enjoying the view.
It would be sad though if Rudd did not attend the G20 meetings when he was Prime Minister as you would advocate. Sort of places Australia way down the list of importance on the international scale.
Cheers

I'm not convinced any politician from any country should go on such trips.
It would seem more appropriate to send trained diplomats, or in the case of technical matters trained professionals in the technical field.
Just because pollies from most countries like to parade themselves as "International Statesmen/women" should it be encouraged by all joining in?