Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Psyber » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:41 am

redandblack wrote:Good article except for the irrelevant red bits.
Tell us what you really think, Paul :D
"Tax it on the way in, tax it whilst it was in there, and tax it on the way out."
That was certainly why I gave up my plans to set up a self-managed superannuation fund once we were under the Hawke/Keating government.
They created a tax trap - you had to declare a high taxable income to be allowed to put much away, then pay tax on it as described in the dreadful red above.
It wasn't hard to work out it wasn't going to pay, and it encouraged us all to find tax deductions to divert pre-tax income into assets and rely on drawing a government funded pension in later life instead of providing for an independent retirement.

Then when high interest rates made extending your business [or your home] less viable, tax deductions went up in price.
It did, however, create a situation in which I was able to sell a Porsche I'd bought second hand some years earlier for a 40% profit - thanks, Paul! 8)

Basically it was as sound as the demand for log books to verify previously ATO accepted car deductibility policies.
Those prompted me to move from accepting the standard 90% deductibility for one business vehicle to using my log books to claim, successfully, 100% of one vehicle and 30% of a second for years to come.
[And of course added to ATO administrative costs. :lol: ]
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:21 pm

Anyone want to have dinner with Tony tomorrow night - I can organise it but you have to stump up the $2K (not sure if that includes GST). I'd go, but Mrs Jimmy is forcing me to go to a movie night #:-s
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby shoe boy » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:28 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:Anyone want to have dinner with Tony tomorrow night - I can organise it but you have to stump up the $2K (not sure if that includes GST). I'd go, but Mrs Jimmy is forcing me to go to a movie night #:-s


I tried to attend Jimmy but the KKK leadership rejected my offer :)
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby wycbloods » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:18 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:Anyone want to have dinner with Tony tomorrow night - I can organise it but you have to stump up the $2K (not sure if that includes GST). I'd go, but Mrs Jimmy is forcing me to go to a movie night #:-s


At least the movies will be cheaper and more worthwhile.
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Squawk » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:59 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:Anyone want to have dinner with Tony tomorrow night - I can organise it but you have to stump up the $2K (not sure if that includes GST). I'd go, but Mrs Jimmy is forcing me to go to a movie night #:-s


Tell him to watch out for anyone carrying a rolled up copy of the Communist Manifesto. ;)

Kevin is due in town very soon - is it possible they could inadvertently be here on the same day? Kevin's here to sell his Children's book, oh, I mean Kevin's here to tell us all about health, being the man who apprently closed 7 operating theatres (or something similar) himself in Qld.
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Gozu » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:57 am

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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby redandblack » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:10 am

Psyber wrote:
redandblack wrote:Good article except for the irrelevant red bits.
Tell us what you really think, Paul :D
"Tax it on the way in, tax it whilst it was in there, and tax it on the way out."
That was certainly why I gave up my plans to set up a self-managed superannuation fund once we were under the Hawke/Keating government.
They created a tax trap - you had to declare a high taxable income to be allowed to put much away, then pay tax on it as described in the dreadful red above.
It wasn't hard to work out it wasn't going to pay, and it encouraged us all to find tax deductions to divert pre-tax income into assets and rely on drawing a government funded pension in later life instead of providing for an independent retirement.

Then when high interest rates made extending your business [or your home] less viable, tax deductions went up in price.
It did, however, create a situation in which I was able to sell a Porsche I'd bought second hand some years earlier for a 40% profit - thanks, Paul! 8)

Basically it was as sound as the demand for log books to verify previously ATO accepted car deductibility policies.
Those prompted me to move from accepting the standard 90% deductibility for one business vehicle to using my log books to claim, successfully, 100% of one vehicle and 30% of a second for years to come.
[And of course added to ATO administrative costs. :lol: ]


Psyber, there are so many inaccuracies about tax law there that I don't know where to start.
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Wedgie » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:35 am

Does anyone actually like Abbott?
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:24 pm

Wedgie wrote:Does anyone actually like Abbott?


Does anyone actually like someone who calls themselves a "politician" ? :lol:
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Wedgie » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:27 pm

Booney wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Does anyone actually like Abbott?


Does anyone actually like someone who calls themselves a "politician" ? :lol:


Yeah there is.
Just on Tony though, does anyone know if his real name is Anthony? Just trying to work out which name I wish to go by.
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Psyber » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:46 pm

redandblack wrote: Psyber, there are so many inaccuracies about tax law there that I don't know where to start.
I don't claim to be a tax law expert or to know much about any changes in the law between then and now.
However, I was changing accountancy firms about then, to one who was nearer to me, and I had both firms crunch the numbers for me a few months apart.
The consensus was that it would be an uneconomic choice for the reasons I mentioned.
Even the tax lawyer I'd consulted, who would have made more money if I'd gone ahead, advised me not to bother under the current rules...
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Gozu » Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:53 am

"Tony Abbott's asylum sermon":

JESUS would not necessarily have allowed every asylum-seeker into Australia, Tony Abbott said last night.

"Jesus didn't say yes to everyone," the federal Opposition Leader said.

"Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it's not necessarily everyone's place to come to Australia."

Appearing on ABC television's Q&A program, Mr Abbott was quizzed extensively on his criticisms of the Rudd Government's softening of Australia's border protection policies, and how that criticism squared with his own strong Catholic faith.

Asked what Jesus would do on the issue of asylum-seekers, he replied: "Don't forget, Jesus drove the traders from the temple as well."

"This idea that Jesus would say to every person who wanted to come to Australia 'fine, the door's open', I just don't think is necessarily right," Mr Abbott said. "(But) let's not verbal Jesus, He is not here to defend himself."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 5850130163

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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Leaping Lindner » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:49 pm

Gozu wrote:"Tony Abbott's asylum sermon":

JESUS would not necessarily have allowed every asylum-seeker into Australia, Tony Abbott said last night.

"Jesus didn't say yes to everyone," the federal Opposition Leader said.

"Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it's not necessarily everyone's place to come to Australia."

Appearing on ABC television's Q&A program, Mr Abbott was quizzed extensively on his criticisms of the Rudd Government's softening of Australia's border protection policies, and how that criticism squared with his own strong Catholic faith.

Asked what Jesus would do on the issue of asylum-seekers, he replied: "Don't forget, Jesus drove the traders from the temple as well."

"This idea that Jesus would say to every person who wanted to come to Australia 'fine, the door's open', I just don't think is necessarily right," Mr Abbott said. "(But) let's not verbal Jesus, He is not here to defend himself."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 5850130163

Unelectable.


It does beg the question "Who would you more likely trust to look after your children? - An asylum seeker or a Catholic Priest????"

Give Tony more air time please!!!!
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Gozu » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:28 pm

Abbott stooge on Q&A busted. Reminds me of the young chick who supposedly "stood up" to Kevin Rudd on the first episode of Q&A this year. The News Ltd press ran with it and talked her opinions up as supposedly being representative of young people only for it to come out in the wash she was a Young Liberal stooge.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/04/06/med ... d-reviews/
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Psyber » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:41 am

redandblack wrote:Good article except for the irrelevant red bits.
Tell us what you really think, Paul :D
Psyber wrote: "Tax it on the way in, tax it whilst it was in there, and tax it on the way out."
That was certainly why I gave up my plans to set up a self-managed superannuation fund once we were under the Hawke/Keating government.
They created a tax trap - you had to declare a high taxable income to be allowed to put much away, then pay tax on it as described in the dreadful red above.
It wasn't hard to work out it wasn't going to pay, and it encouraged us all to find tax deductions to divert pre-tax income into assets and rely on drawing a government funded pension in later life instead of providing for an independent retirement.

Then when high interest rates made extending your business [or your home] less viable, tax deductions went up in price.
redandblack wrote: Psyber, there are so many inaccuracies about tax law there that I don't know where to start.
Psyber wrote:I don't claim to be a tax law expert or to know much about any changes in the law between then and now.
However, I was changing accountancy firms about then, to one who was nearer to me, and I had both firms crunch the numbers for me a few months apart.
The consensus was that it would be an uneconomic choice for the reasons I mentioned.
Even the tax lawyer I'd consulted, who would have made more money if I'd gone ahead, advised me not to bother under the current rules...

I was hoping, r&b, that you might have explained to me, in brief, by now how my consultants had managed to give me a bum steer back then.
I gather you do know tax law from your comments in this and past threads...
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Gozu » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:29 pm

"Abbott abandons half the population":

"Tony Abbott’s latest move, floating the idea that people under 30 should be denied access to the dole, is clear evidence of why he should never be Prime Minister. For that matter, it’s an illustration of the weaknesses that made him a second-rate (at best) minister under Howard."

http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archiv ... opulation/

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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby fish » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:23 pm

Gozu wrote:"Abbott abandons half the population":

"Tony Abbott’s latest move, floating the idea that people under 30 should be denied access to the dole, is clear evidence of why he should never be Prime Minister. For that matter, it’s an illustration of the weaknesses that made him a second-rate (at best) minister under Howard."

http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archiv ... opulation/

Unelectable.

Yeah I heard about this - what a ridiculous idea!

Not sure of the figures but I dare say that there are more unemployed people under 30 than there are job vacancies nationwide.
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby Leaping Lindner » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:22 pm

Kerry O'Brien currently having Mr Abbott for tea on the 7.30 Report. All jokes aside Abbott is a seriously scary human being. I actually don't think he's playing with a full deck.
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby once_were_warriors » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:56 pm

I am not aligned to either labor or liberal.

I have watched Tony Abbott's performance and formation of policy ideas during this year and I have come to the conclusion that this bloke is a MUPPET
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Re: Tony Abbott - Leader of the Opposition!

Postby shoe boy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:36 am

[quote="once_were_warriors"]I am not aligned to either labor or liberal.

I have watched Tony Abbott's performance and formation of policy ideas during this year and I have come to the conclusion that this bloke is a MUPPET[/quote]

But worse a RED NECK MUPPET!!!
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