Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[smac]

Like I have been saying for ages. Last time the polar ice caps melted....the carbon dioxide did something to cool temperatures and everything went back to normal including the ice caps.

We've potentially buggered up things like that though.

[Psyber]

Like I have been saying for ages. Last time the polar ice caps melted....the carbon dioxide did something to cool temperatures and everything went back to normal including the ice caps.

We've potentially buggered up things like that though.

Not necessarily...

During the Silurian period and the following Devonian the CO2 levels, ocean levels, and temperatures were much higher than now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian#C ... _sea_level
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 8210004785

During the later Devonian and following Carboniferous periods massive forest growth took CO2 out of the air and produced, also, higher than usual Oxygen levels that made giant insects possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

Note "modern levels" marked in these graphs - it gives perspective on our CO2 crisis.

[The Sleeping Giant]

This one is interesting - the current rises are put in longer term context.

Was looking good Psyber, until you tried to use a "scientific" diagram with "birth of Christ" on it.

[Psyber]

This one is interesting - the current rises are put in longer term context.

Was looking good Psyber, until you tried to use a "scientific" diagram with "birth of Christ" on it.

I didn't notice that - was it just on it as a nominal historical marker or was it portrayed as having some significant other meaning?
If the former I doubt it would necessarily invalidate the science, and, even if treated as more significant, it may not.
(I gather there are genuine scientists who are also Christian and can keep the two separate.)

I have a friend who is a Barrister and a practising Christian, which seemed a little incongruous to a non-Christian like me at first.

[dedja]

faark, Andrew Bolt is correct FFS!

[Bully]

maybe julia could increase the carbon tax more now because of the hurricane in the US to 'prevent' that from happeneing again.

[southee]

maybe julia could increase the carbon tax more now because of the hurricane in the US to 'prevent' that from happeneing again.

Knowing her...she probably use it as a excuse to do it too!!!

[Gozu]

[fish]

maybe julia could increase the carbon tax more now because of the hurricane in the US to 'prevent' that from happeneing again.

Climate change turned Sandy into the Frankenstorm

CLIMATE change did not cause Sandy the Frankenstorm. But it gave her a big shot in the arm and turned her into the beast that she became.

Scientists say the devastating storm was super-sized by climate change, fuelled by the same processes that will cause more extreme cyclones in Australia.

[Q.]

maybe julia could increase the carbon tax more now because of the hurricane in the US to 'prevent' that from happeneing again.

Climate change turned Sandy into the Frankenstorm

CLIMATE change did not cause Sandy the Frankenstorm. But it gave her a big shot in the arm and turned her into the beast that she became.

Scientists say the devastating storm was super-sized by climate change, fuelled by the same processes that will cause more extreme cyclones in Australia.

Pfft, next they'll be saying that HAARP caused the storm

[The Sleeping Giant]

maybe julia could increase the carbon tax more now because of the hurricane in the US to 'prevent' that from happeneing again.

[url=http://www.news.com.au/news/climate-change-turned-sandy-into-the-frankenstorm/story-fnejlrpu-1226507738453]Climate change turned Sandy into the Frankenstorm[/url]

CLIMATE change did not cause Sandy the Frankenstorm. But it gave her a big shot in the arm and turned her into the beast that she became.

Scientists say the devastating storm was super-sized by climate change, fuelled by the same processes that will cause more extreme cyclones in Australia.

Was it a hurricane? Or just a tropical storm?

[Sky Pilot]

Al Gore said today that the super storm was caused by climate change so it must be right. Very 'inconvenient'

[Psyber]

Al Gore said today that the super storm was caused by climate change so it must be right. Very 'inconvenient'

While I tend to challenge the view that it is all due to human activity climate change is real.
It has been real for a very long time as the charts above demonstrate.
The current drift in the weather patterns has been discernible since the 1970s and is becoming more obvious.
I expect Queensland to cop it again this summer too.

We talk about CO2 fluctuations a lot now, but the longer term Oxygen levels in the charts above are interesting too.
I wonder how mammals would have coped when it was around or under 15%, and about the bushfire risk when it was up around 30%.

[dedja]

Jeez, I hope not ... don't want to be paying a flood levy again this year

[Bully]

maybe julia could increase the carbon tax more now because of the hurricane in the US to 'prevent' that from happeneing again.

Climate change turned Sandy into the Frankenstorm

CLIMATE change did not cause Sandy the Frankenstorm. But it gave her a big shot in the arm and turned her into the beast that she became.

Scientists say the devastating storm was super-sized by climate change, fuelled by the same processes that will cause more extreme cyclones in Australia.

, yeah, not that these superstorms havent been around since the begining of the earth, or was there records at that time was there

but im sure, julia will raise the price of the tax because of this.

[Psyber]

Jeez, I hope not ... don't want to be paying a flood levy again this year

Yeah..
And I've just bought a rental property in My Barker, too, so they'll get me twice.

[fish]

Al Gore said today that the super storm was caused by climate change...

Are you sure about that SP?

According to this article in the LA Times he said Sandy was "strengthened by the climate crisis"

[Sojourner]

New Zealand carbon scheme on hold as prices plunge

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/ ... E220121102

[fish]

Carbon report shows business concerns easing

The latest snapshot of Australia's biggest companies says they are "increasingly comfortable" with the Federal Government's carbon pricing scheme.

Property companies and banks have been identified as the strongest performers in the latest report card on Australia's carbon pricing scheme.

The carbon disclosure project assesses the top 200 companies in Australia and New Zealand, scrutinising their greenhouse gas emissions, as well as their climate change strategies.

The best performers include the Commonwealth Property Office Fund, National Australia Bank and Mirvac, as well as Qantas, News Corporation and Woolworths.

However, the report also identifies a low number of companies still in the high emitting sectors and some which refused to disclose their data, including Lend Lease, BlueScope Steel and Iluka.

Nathan Fabian from the Investor Group on Climate Change says it will end up costing companies that choose not to report.

"Investors are increasingly using this information in their analysis about company value and so if companies are not disclosing this data investors have to piece it together from other places," he said.

"It's always best if companies can tell us clearly how they can manage the risks and what they are planning to do to mitigate those costs in the future."

Overall, it states that Australian and New Zealand companies are increasingly comfortable with carbon pricing, with the number of businesses identifying risks falling by 12 per cent since last year.

[Bully]

Carbon report shows business concerns easing

The latest snapshot of Australia's biggest companies says they are "increasingly comfortable" with the Federal Government's carbon pricing scheme.

Property companies and banks have been identified as the strongest performers in the latest report card on Australia's carbon pricing scheme.

The carbon disclosure project assesses the top 200 companies in Australia and New Zealand, scrutinising their greenhouse gas emissions, as well as their climate change strategies.

The best performers include the Commonwealth Property Office Fund, National Australia Bank and Mirvac, as well as Qantas, News Corporation and Woolworths.

However, the report also identifies a low number of companies still in the high emitting sectors and some which refused to disclose their data, including Lend Lease, BlueScope Steel and Iluka.

Nathan Fabian from the Investor Group on Climate Change says it will end up costing companies that choose not to report.

"Investors are increasingly using this information in their analysis about company value and so if companies are not disclosing this data investors have to piece it together from other places," he said.

"It's always best if companies can tell us clearly how they can manage the risks and what they are planning to do to mitigate those costs in the future."

Overall, it states that Australian and New Zealand companies are increasingly comfortable with carbon pricing, with the number of businesses identifying risks falling by 12 per cent since last year.

Regards - From the CURRENT treasurer Wayne swan.

I didnt know wayne swann was allowed to write articles in the papers and news ?