Gillard should go!

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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:31 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:But there's nothing wrong with being a member of a far left organisation because the bleeding hearts are OK with that.
The point is: it was not declarable no matter what the reporter, Labor or the Greens say (most of whom have NFI anyway)


The issue is not that a politician is a member or supporter of a political group of any persuasion, right or left, extreme or moderate, it is their democratic right to do so. The issue here is that Senator Bernardi was chairman of the senators' interests committee, which exists to ensure transparency for voters, and did not declare his affiliation with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). This is in breach of the senators' interests committee rules and is contrary to the purpose for having such a committee. I'm sure I don't need to spell out how important it is to know which organisations the person you vote for is affiliated with.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:53 am

Exactly which rule did he breach?
Let's see it
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby dedja » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:58 am

None, he's just a knob, whilst meaning he has plenty of mates, isn't a criminal offence.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sojourner » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:53 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:But there's nothing wrong with being a member of a far left organisation because the bleeding hearts are OK with that.
The point is: it was not declarable no matter what the reporter, Labor or the Greens say (most of whom have NFI anyway)


Its quite factual that Julia Gillard is a member of the Fabian Society, I think its a fair thing that any other members of the ALP that are members of the Fabian Society should declare that to their electorates. Considering that the Fabian Societies stated aim is to influcence Governments towards Socialist policy.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:55 pm

dedja wrote:None, he's just a knob, whilst meaning he has plenty of mates, isn't a criminal offence.


He's a mate of mine moth**************
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby dedja » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:00 pm

And the Poodle is my mate ...
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:07 pm

That doesnt surprise me
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:36 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:Exactly which rule did he breach?
Let's see it


Here you go:

The purpose of the statement of registrable interests is to advise of senators’ interests in accordance with a resolution of the Senate of 17 March 1994, as amended on 21 June 1995, 13 May 1998, 22 November 1999, 15 September 2003 and 10 August 2006....................................

Requirement to submit statement of registrable interests

The resolution requires that all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests within 28 days of making or subscribing an oath or affirmation of allegiance as a senator AND within 28 days after the first meeting of the Senate after 1 July first occurring after a general election.

Quoted from the Explanatory notes for statements of registrable interests - http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate_Committees?url=interests_ctte/info/explanatory_notes.htm
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:20 pm

OK - which one of the 14 points did he breach?
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:21 pm

The resolution requires that all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests within 28 days of making or subscribing an oath or affirmation of allegiance as a senator AND within 28 days after the first meeting of the Senate after 1 July first occurring after a general election.

all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests

The fact that he was chair of this committee should dictate that he know and follow the stated rules.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:43 pm

Chris Evans who is a senator for Labor is resigning
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:11 pm

Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:The resolution requires that all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests within 28 days of making or subscribing an oath or affirmation of allegiance as a senator AND within 28 days after the first meeting of the Senate after 1 July first occurring after a general election.

all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests

The fact that he was chair of this committee should dictate that he know and follow the stated rules.


OK, so you can bold and blow up "registrable interests"
Can you define it and say how he exactly breached it?
Here; I'll help - he is saying it is not a registrable interest
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby dedja » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:42 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Chris Evans who is a senator for Labor is resigning


and Roxon is resigning as well ...

What a crazy week in the world of politics ... WTF is going on?
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sky Pilot » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:43 pm

Chris Evans and now Nicola Roxon quit. Why not Julia too?
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:24 am

dedja wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Chris Evans who is a senator for Labor is resigning


and Roxon is resigning as well ...

What a crazy week in the world of politics ... WTF is going on?



i havent heard Roxon quitting, wtf!!!

they are jumping ship before it completely sinks
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sky Pilot » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:26 am

Politics have never been so entertaining. On ya Jules!
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:03 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:Politics have never been so entertaining. On ya Jules!



see abboott couldnt do it this good
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:23 pm

Matty Wade is a star and deserves more respect from the forum family!
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Psyber » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:03 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:The resolution requires that all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests within 28 days of making or subscribing an oath or affirmation of allegiance as a senator AND within 28 days after the first meeting of the Senate after 1 July first occurring after a general election.

all senators must provide a statement of registrable interests

The fact that he was chair of this committee should dictate that he know and follow the stated rules.
OK, so you can bold and blow up "registrable interests"
Can you define it and say how he exactly breached it?
Here; I'll help - he is saying it is not a registrable interest
I haven't read the legislation, but I had assumed "registrable" interest would be those that could make you a profit, and, thus, may be able to corrupt you, rather than those that reflect your personal interest and political bias.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:15 pm

It could only be one of these 3 areas;

12. Any sponsored travel or hospitality received where the value of the sponsorship or hospitality exceeds $300

‘Sponsored travel’ means any free, upgraded or concessional travel undertaken by the senator, the senator’s spouse or partner or dependent children* sponsored wholly or partly by any person, organisation, business or interest group or foreign government or its representative. It does not include concessional travel entitlements, or travel undertaken using frequent flyer points, generally available to the public. Nor does it include the travel entitlements received by the senator, the senator’s spouse or partner or dependent children under any determination of the Remuneration Tribunal or travel undertaken as a member of an official parliamentary delegation. The purpose for which the travel was undertaken should be shown.
‘Hospitality’ refers to free or concessional accommodation provided to the senator, the senator’s spouse or partner or dependent children wholly or partly by any person, organisation, business or interest group or foreign government or its representative. It includes the provision of free or concessional meals as part of an accommodation arrangement but does not include hospitality provided in a purely social way by friends or colleagues. There is no need to include entertainment or benefits received in common with significant numbers of other senators or other persons, such as a reception or dinner hosted by a High Commissioner or Ambassador, or access to airline lounges.
Serial receipt of hospitality, eg, regular receipt of free theatre tickets or tickets from sporting organisations, should be declared each six months if the collective value exceeds $300.

13. Being an officeholder of, or financial contributor donating $300 or more in any single calendar year to, any organisation

Membership of organisations should be disclosed where the senator, the senator’s spouse or partner or a dependent child* is an officeholder (excluding being a patron).
The names of any organisations to which the senator, the senator’s spouse or partner or a dependent child* contributes $300 or more in any single calendar year (excluding membership subscriptions) should also be listed.

14. Any other interest where a conflict of interest with a Senator’s public duties could foreseeably arise or be seen to arise.


Still waiting for the area he's breached

Maybe someone can ask Albanese or the Greens - they seem to think they know, otherwise they wouldn't have asked for his head because that would be dishonest. They haven't stated how either.
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