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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:12 pm

I would have thought that being associated with a pro tobacco organisation could represent a conflict of interest given the amount of political lobbying the tobacco industry does.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:39 pm

Maybe if smoking is against the law but it is not.
There is no conflict of interest and I can assure you Cory hates smoking as much as I do
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:49 pm

so on that basis, a politician would not need to declare their involvement with an organisation that advocates communism as this is not illegal either.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:21 pm

Correct
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:24 pm

And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Gozu » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:07 am

Some views on Jimmy's hero from within his own party:

“Cory is deluded,” says a Liberal Party colleague. “He is one of the least effective or important members of the parliamentary team. Cory is a person without any intellect, without any base, and he should really never have risen above the position of branch president. His right-wing macho-man act is just his way of looking as though he stands for something.”

Some of his moderate colleagues are caustic about Bernardi’s role in undermining Turnbull and others on the small ‘l’ side. One colleague calls him “disloyal and treacherous”, while another says he spends more time attacking those in his own party than the others. Some colleagues privately blame him for circulating a “shit sheet” before the 2007 election implying that an unnamed Coalition minister was gay. Bernardi categorically denies he had anything to do with it, adding he’s a “convenient scapegoat for those on the Left”. He has maintained a poisonous feud with fellow South Australian Christopher Pyne, who signed him up to their local branch in the 1980s before they acrimoniously fell out.

“He wants to be some sort of conservative warrior but he’s not up to it intellectually,” says a Liberal associate. “In reality he’s like the kid in the playground who pulls his pants down so everyone will look at him, but he has no idea how he’s embarrassing himself in the process. He’s basically kryptonite for any serious person in the party because he’s a complete embarrassment.”


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A tireless self-promoter, Bernardi has his own website and blog, is the self-published “author of four books” (a pamphlet on encouraging children to save, another on healthy eating and exercise, and two compilations of his opinions). He has been known to hand out ‘Cory Bernardi’ coffee mugs.

Sinead, with whom he has two sons, aged ten and 12, says they have the perfect marriage because they’re “both in love with the same man”. “Cory obviously has this huge belief in himself … If you didn’t love a guy who was so in love with himself you’d have a lot of trouble living with Cory. Life – I don’t think he’d mind me saying this – it’s all about Cory. I am all about Cory, and he is all about Cory, so it makes it easy.”


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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:00 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


Not all Greenies hug trees, some prefer to hug Koalas!
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:39 pm

Gozu wrote:Some views on Jimmy's hero from within his own party:

“Cory is deluded,” says a Liberal Party colleague. “He is one of the least effective or important members of the parliamentary team. Cory is a person without any intellect, without any base, and he should really never have risen above the position of branch president. His right-wing macho-man act is just his way of looking as though he stands for something.”

Some of his moderate colleagues are caustic about Bernardi’s role in undermining Turnbull and others on the small ‘l’ side. One colleague calls him “disloyal and treacherous”, while another says he spends more time attacking those in his own party than the others. Some colleagues privately blame him for circulating a “shit sheet” before the 2007 election implying that an unnamed Coalition minister was gay. Bernardi categorically denies he had anything to do with it, adding he’s a “convenient scapegoat for those on the Left”. He has maintained a poisonous feud with fellow South Australian Christopher Pyne, who signed him up to their local branch in the 1980s before they acrimoniously fell out.

“He wants to be some sort of conservative warrior but he’s not up to it intellectually,” says a Liberal associate. “In reality he’s like the kid in the playground who pulls his pants down so everyone will look at him, but he has no idea how he’s embarrassing himself in the process. He’s basically kryptonite for any serious person in the party because he’s a complete embarrassment.”


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A tireless self-promoter, Bernardi has his own website and blog, is the self-published “author of four books” (a pamphlet on encouraging children to save, another on healthy eating and exercise, and two compilations of his opinions). He has been known to hand out ‘Cory Bernardi’ coffee mugs.

Sinead, with whom he has two sons, aged ten and 12, says they have the perfect marriage because they’re “both in love with the same man”. “Cory obviously has this huge belief in himself … If you didn’t love a guy who was so in love with himself you’d have a lot of trouble living with Cory. Life – I don’t think he’d mind me saying this – it’s all about Cory. I am all about Cory, and he is all about Cory, so it makes it easy.”


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Sounds like he is his own biggest fan, with the exception of his wife and Jimmy_041
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:48 pm

Gee Gozu, I didn't know you were a fan of Chwistopher Pyne
Ive heard him say those exact words about Cory and his wife.
Clutching at straws now
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sojourner » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:51 pm

So much for unity within the ALP, it would appear that several MP's want her gone - Rudd was a notable absence from the meeting today.

JULIA Gillard has accused her own MPs of trying to destroy her Government from within as she addressed a shattered caucus ahead of the resumption of Parliament tomorrow.

A source inside the caucus told The Daily Telegraph that the PM said she was aware that MPs had been leaking to journalists with the intention of backgrounding against the Government. Backgrounding is where politicians provide sensitive information to journalists under the assumption they will not be named.


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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Sojourner » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:56 pm

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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:07 pm

Oh Dear, what an absoute shambles. Roll on the election so we can get a government that might be capable of governing rather than feeding the headlines with a constant stream of sensational stories of self implosion. I am not a fan of Tony Abbott (although our local sitting Liberal member is quite good) but am feeling there is no other option.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Bully » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:06 am

Sojourner wrote:So much for unity within the ALP, it would appear that several MP's want her gone - Rudd was a notable absence from the meeting today.

JULIA Gillard has accused her own MPs of trying to destroy her Government from within as she addressed a shattered caucus ahead of the resumption of Parliament tomorrow.

A source inside the caucus told The Daily Telegraph that the PM said she was aware that MPs had been leaking to journalists with the intention of backgrounding against the Government. Backgrounding is where politicians provide sensitive information to journalists under the assumption they will not be named.


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you mean K Rudd ;)
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:09 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


I certainly think this is not an ideal situation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/labor-mps-at-service-for-terrorist-group/story-fn59nm2j-1226572125400

What was better, was their poor explanation on ABC Radio this morning.
Rankine - very poor and should never have answered the call.
Atkinson at his finest - totally outraged but avoided answering the questions because he knew they'd been caught.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:48 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


I certainly think this is not an ideal situation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/labor-mps-at-service-for-terrorist-group/story-fn59nm2j-1226572125400

What was better, was their poor explanation on ABC Radio this morning.
Rankine - very poor and should never have answered the call.
Atkinson at his finest - totally outraged but avoided answering the questions because he knew they'd been caught.


Condemning people for attending a funeral is a bit of a low act, is it not? Just because they may have belonged to a particular group does not necessarily make them a bad person. These three individuals were involved in what many see as a just cause in attempting to get independence for their cultural group and for giving Kurdish people a chance in life. Turkey operates a system of apartheid in relation to the Kurdish people and most nations condemn the Turkish Government for their policies re this.
Would you condemn people for attending Nelson Mandela's funeral, or Bishop Desmond Tutu's? Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma??

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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby scoob » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:47 pm

bulldogproud2 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


I certainly think this is not an ideal situation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/labor-mps-at-service-for-terrorist-group/story-fn59nm2j-1226572125400

What was better, was their poor explanation on ABC Radio this morning.
Rankine - very poor and should never have answered the call.
Atkinson at his finest - totally outraged but avoided answering the questions because he knew they'd been caught.


Condemning people for attending a funeral is a bit of a low act, is it not? Just because they may have belonged to a particular group does not necessarily make them a bad person. These three individuals were involved in what many see as a just cause in attempting to get independence for their cultural group and for giving Kurdish people a chance in life. Turkey operates a system of apartheid in relation to the Kurdish people and most nations condemn the Turkish Government for their policies re this.
Would you condemn people for attending Nelson Mandela's funeral, or Bishop Desmond Tutu's? Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma??

Cheers


What internationally recognised terrorism network are they members of... might as well included Mother Theresa in there...
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Media Park » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:57 pm

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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:23 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


I certainly think this is not an ideal situation

[url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/labor-mps-at-service-for-terrorist-group/story-fn59nm2j-1226572125400[/url]

What was better, was their poor explanation on ABC Radio this morning.
Rankine - very poor and should never have answered the call.
Atkinson at his finest - totally outraged but avoided answering the questions because he knew they'd been caught.

Showing poor judgement right there.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:23 pm

bulldogproud2 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


I certainly think this is not an ideal situation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/labor-mps-at-service-for-terrorist-group/story-fn59nm2j-1226572125400

What was better, was their poor explanation on ABC Radio this morning.
Rankine - very poor and should never have answered the call.
Atkinson at his finest - totally outraged but avoided answering the questions because he knew they'd been caught.


Condemning people for attending a funeral is a bit of a low act, is it not? Just because they may have belonged to a particular group does not necessarily make them a bad person. These three individuals were involved in what many see as a just cause in attempting to get independence for their cultural group and for giving Kurdish people a chance in life. Turkey operates a system of apartheid in relation to the Kurdish people and most nations condemn the Turkish Government for their policies re this.
Would you condemn people for attending Nelson Mandela's funeral, or Bishop Desmond Tutu's? Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma??

Cheers


It wasn't a funeral - it was a memorial to 3 members of an organisation that has been branded a listed terrorist organisation by our Australian Govt.
These two politicians attended as representatives of the SA Govt, and Rankine allegedly spoke on behalf of the SA Govt which also includes you and me
Whether: PKK is, or isn't, a terrorist organisation, justified or unjustified in their ambitions, doesn't matter.
These two individuals, who attended as elected govt. officials, have no right to ignore the foreign policy of our Country.
I have no problem if they went along as private citizens.
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Re: Gillard should go!

Postby bulldogproud2 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:45 am

scoob wrote:
bulldogproud2 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:And the Greenies don't need to declare all their tree hugging affiliations
Being a member of CIA, MI5 or KGB probably crosses the line


I certainly think this is not an ideal situation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/labor-mps-at-service-for-terrorist-group/story-fn59nm2j-1226572125400

What was better, was their poor explanation on ABC Radio this morning.
Rankine - very poor and should never have answered the call.
Atkinson at his finest - totally outraged but avoided answering the questions because he knew they'd been caught.


Condemning people for attending a funeral is a bit of a low act, is it not? Just because they may have belonged to a particular group does not necessarily make them a bad person. These three individuals were involved in what many see as a just cause in attempting to get independence for their cultural group and for giving Kurdish people a chance in life. Turkey operates a system of apartheid in relation to the Kurdish people and most nations condemn the Turkish Government for their policies re this.
Would you condemn people for attending Nelson Mandela's funeral, or Bishop Desmond Tutu's? Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma??

Cheers


What internationally recognised terrorism network are they members of... might as well included Mother Theresa in there...

Aung San Suu Kyi is a key player of the NLD, that is regarded as a terrorist organisation by the Burmese Government.
Nelson Mandela was a member of the African National Congress that was also deemed a terrorist organisation.
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