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Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:07 pm
by Sojourner
Now that Labor have been sworn in and Kevin Rudd has the chance to set about governing the nation, we have a current situation where against a strengthening Australian Dollar against the U.S dollar, we have the highest Petrol Prices that we have seen in Adelaide and this is being repeated across the country.

What then will Kevin Rudd and Labor be doing about this? The ramping up of Petrol Prices adversley affects inflation and ultimately interest rates, which is something Labor made as a campaign point. I hope then that Rudd is not planning to simply do nothing at all which is what seems to be the case at present.

If Rudd really is fair dinkum about what he has promised, then lets see a cut in Petrol tax to offset the losses that people are currently having added to their family budgets. Yet dont hold your breath waiting for it, as reality might well soon be about to set in!

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:42 pm
by Psyber
Sojourner wrote:Now that Labor have been sworn in and Kevin Rudd has the chance to set about governing the nation, we have a current situation where against a strengthening Australian Dollar against the U.S dollar, we have the highest Petrol Prices that we have seen in Adelaide and this is being repeated across the country.

What then will Kevin Rudd and Labor be doing about this? The ramping up of Petrol Prices adversely affects inflation and ultimately interest rates, which is something Labor made as a campaign point. I hope then that Rudd is not planning to simply do nothing at all which is what seems to be the case at present.

If Rudd really is fair dinkum about what he has promised, then lets see a cut in Petrol tax to offset the losses that people are currently having added to their family budgets. Yet dont hold your breath waiting for it, as reality might well soon be about to set in!

Unfortunately, to do that he would have to cut some of the election promises just made and that will not happen - at least not in the first 12 months. Floating the dollar is now so established as politically correct it cannot be undone, and no federal government can control interest rates under the present system of an independent reserve bank.

What we need to fix this mess is John Hewson and "Fight back", which included scrapping fuel excise, but that time has gone.

And, of course, with the cutting of the politically incorrect import tariffs, it is cheaper to import goods than make them here. Introducing a "user pays Customs processing levy" may get past political correctness, but the rise in prices to pay for goods made here instead of being imported will get the unions rampant pursuing wage rises to match CPI rises, and anger the voters who must pay more for their TV sets and clothing so it can be made here instead of imported from low wage countries.

Oh dear... we have dug ourselves a hole in the last 20 odd years! :shock:

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:11 pm
by redden whites
Sojourner wrote:
If Rudd really is fair dinkum about what he has promised, then lets see a cut in Petrol tax to offset the losses that people are currently having added to their family budgets. Yet dont hold your breath waiting for it, as reality might well soon be about to set in!

So you are bagging the bloke because you don't think he will do something he didn't promise before the election(fuel tax) in any policy statement and all this on the day he was sworn in .Gee tough crowd :roll:

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:16 pm
by redden whites
Sojourner wrote: I hope then that Rudd is not planning to simply do nothing at all which is what seems to be the case at present.

No I am fairly sure he made some policy announcements in the last 7 weeks but I could be mistaken.

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:34 pm
by redden whites
Sojourner wrote: and ultimately interest rates, which is something Labor made as a campaign point.

Please enlighten us with what this point/policy was ?? With all that went on during the campaign I can't say I can debate this one with you with any confidence in my statements.As you seem pretty sure can we all have what was the campaign point with regards to interest rates declared by the ALP during the campaign?

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:49 pm
by redden whites
Psyber wrote:Unfortunately, to do that he would have to cut some of the election promises just made and that will not happen - at least not in the first 12 months. Floating the dollar is now so established as politically correct it cannot be undone, and no federal government can control interest rates under the present system of an independent reserve bank.

What we need to fix this mess is John Hewson and "Fight back", which included scrapping fuel excise, but that time has gone.

And, of course, with the cutting of the politically incorrect import tariffs, it is cheaper to import goods than make them here. Introducing a "user pays Customs processing levy" may get past political correctness, but the rise in prices to pay for goods made here instead of being imported will get the unions rampant pursuing wage rises to match CPI rises, and anger the voters who must pay more for their TV sets and clothing so it can be made here instead of imported from low wage countries.

Oh dear... we have dug ourselves a hole in the last 20 odd years! :shock:

Psyber, need I remind you that this is the SA FOOTY political board? Factual information based on knowledge and understanding of how things work is not really appreciated here thanks.Diatribe is really what we are seeking thanks :wink: .Your posts make interesting reading dont get me wrong .Can we have a bit less Geoffrey Robertson and a bit more Alan Jones please in your posts in the future :wink:

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:24 am
by mighty_tiger_79
getting rid of AWA's is the first thing on the agenda

petrol may be well down the list for now

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:27 am
by TroyGFC
Maybe Labor want petrol prices to rise so less people drive making the kyoto target easier to meet.

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:20 am
by BIG SEXY
redden you seem alot less keen to bash our prime minister now that we have a labor govt. some of the posts ive read of yours were more assumptions and reckoning than factual information.

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:14 am
by Sojourner
Rudd spent much time talking about interest rates, cheaper grocery prices, housing affordability and the cost of living in general in Australia during his election campaign. Now we have a situation where high petrol prices are adversley affecting the battlers weekly budget. Rudd has the capacity if he wishes to, to reduce Petrol taxation and ease the burden on Australian families.

If Rudd is serious that he wants to improve the standard of living for people in Australia, here is his big chance to make a difference and do something definate that will help low income families.

Yet as I said, dont hold your breath waiting. Power corrupts and Rudd is likely going to be no different to the rest of them, who promise a lot, yet actually deliver very little. :roll:

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:55 pm
by redden whites
crushinator wrote:redden you seem alot less keen to bash our prime minister now that we have a labor govt. some of the posts ive read of yours were more assumptions and reckoning than factual information.

Madness reigns supreme :shock: :shock:
After a day in office ya goose..............you cannot possibly be serious.Gee it must have hurt a lot more than I even thought it would have.

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:03 pm
by redden whites
Sojourner wrote:Rudd spent much time talking about interest rates, cheaper grocery prices, housing affordability and the cost of living in general in Australia during his election campaign. Now we have a situation where high petrol prices are adversley affecting the battlers weekly budget. Rudd has the capacity if he wishes to, to reduce Petrol taxation and ease the burden on Australian families.

If Rudd is serious that he wants to improve the standard of living for people in Australia, here is his big chance to make a difference and do something definate that will help low income families.

Yet as I said, dont hold your breath waiting. Power corrupts and Rudd is likely going to be no different to the rest of them, who promise a lot, yet actually deliver very little. :roll:

Is it just me or has all sanity gone out the window here??????
He had policies laid out and we will see if they work or not over time.For Christs sake parliament has not even sat yet let alone the ink dried on the swearing in papers.How many time do I have to say he had no fuel tax reduction in any policy Sojourner so why would he do what you are asking ??????? I honestly give up :roll:
I can only assume you are trolling to get a response as surely no-one could possibly be so clueless.

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:30 pm
by Leaping Lindner
I was having a coffee and reading the paper outside the local cafe yesterday morning, and the wind blew up and my paper went everywhere. What is Rudd going to do about this? It's about time he acted on it!!!!

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:08 pm
by Sojourner
redden whites wrote:.How many time do I have to say he had no fuel tax reduction in any policy Sojourner so why would he do what you are asking ??????? I honestly give up :roll:
I can only assume you are trolling to get a response as surely no-one could possibly be so clueless.


I couldent care less whether Rudd has a policy on fuel prices or not. The fact remains that we are currently faced with the highest petrol prices in history.

When we last saw fuel prices ramped up, the Liberal government responded by capping fuel excise - under pressure from Labor I might add to deal with the increasing prices.

Now that the shoe is clearly on the other foot. It is apparent that Rudd and Labor in general are happy to see fuel prices and inflation increase and will not be doing anything to deal with the situation in the form of tax relief on petrol.

Did the Liberal Party have to go to e=an election with a polic=y to cap excise on petrol before they did that? No, they went ahead and did it in response to the need in the community at the time, A pity then that Rudd and Labor dont have the balls to do the same......

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:09 pm
by redden whites
Sojourner wrote:
redden whites wrote:.How many time do I have to say he had no fuel tax reduction in any policy Sojourner so why would he do what you are asking ??????? I honestly give up :roll:
I can only assume you are trolling to get a response as surely no-one could possibly be so clueless.


I couldent care less whether Rudd has a policy on fuel prices or not. The fact remains that we are currently faced with the highest petrol prices in history.

When we last saw fuel prices ramped up, the Liberal government responded by capping fuel excise - under pressure from Labor I might add to deal with the increasing prices.

Now that the shoe is clearly on the other foot. It is apparent that Rudd and Labor in general are happy to see fuel prices and inflation increase and will not be doing anything to deal with the situation in the form of tax relief on petrol.

Did the Liberal Party have to go to e=an election with a polic=y to cap excise on petrol before they did that? No, they went ahead and did it in response to the need in the community at the time, A pity then that Rudd and Labor dont have the balls to do the same......

On day 1or 2????????????????????? you gotta be kidding......Cant believe so much suffering is taking place just in the last 2 days

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:23 pm
by McAlmanac
Sojourner wrote:It is apparent that Rudd and Labor in general are happy to see fuel prices and inflation increase and will not be doing anything to deal with the situation in the form of tax relief on petrol.

I'm a dumb ass. Explain how that is "apparent".

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:26 pm
by redden whites
McAlmanac wrote:
Sojourner wrote:It is apparent that Rudd and Labor in general are happy to see fuel prices and inflation increase and will not be doing anything to deal with the situation in the form of tax relief on petrol.

I'm a dumb ass. Explain how that is "apparent".

Wouldn't putting say 25 bucks a week back into everyones pocket put the same pressure on inlflation anyway?( some of the much more learned posters than me like Psyber , Mick or Hondo could inform us of this) but I am as confused me ol mate dumb ass .

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:47 pm
by Squawk
IIRC ALP policy promises included the following:

1. An Inquiry into Petrol Prices - (wooppee do. People spend more on mobile phone and electricity bills yet the same fuss isn't made. People who queue for ages to save a few cents per litre are kidding themselves because how many people are as attentive when it comes to supermarket prices - eg buying a cheaper loaf of bread? BUT - there is an ALP promise for a Commissioner of Grocery prices I believe).
2. ALP Ministers to be bound to a code of conduct, to be released prior to the election. Then, to be released on the day of being sworn in. Now, still not released as "negotiations" are still taking place because it is feared to be too tough and could result in sackings. Poor.
3. Dept of Homeland Security to be established - now, not so. Have to give credit here because he was willing to change his mind based on the advice of Prime Minister and Cabinet Secretary Shergold.

The RUDDer is a little off course already.....but expect a few early slip ups. FWIW Rudd has been steered through his campaign by Rann and the Rann stamp will continue to be all over the Rudd spin machine. Oh, and Mark Butler got in but did you know Conlon allegedly wanted that seat to be his but was not given that green light?

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:10 am
by BIG SEXY
redden whites wrote:
crushinator wrote:redden you seem alot less keen to bash our prime minister now that we have a labor govt. some of the posts ive read of yours were more assumptions and reckoning than factual information.

Madness reigns supreme :shock: :shock:
After a day in office ya goose..............you cannot possibly be serious.Gee it must have hurt a lot more than I even thought it would have.


so youre saying that your posts will become less kind to rudd as his term goes on?
bullplop.
my point was some of your posts in the politics thread were about as factual as psybers.

Re: Petrol Prices under Labor

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:10 am
by Sojourner
Apparent - From Dictionary.Com,

"According to appearances, initial evidence, incomplete results, etc.; ostensible rather than actual: He was the apparent winner of the election."