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The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:45 pm
by Squawk
well recording of the leader's debate is complete. It was done in Hindmarsh - contrary to the previously published venue of the RI of Australia in Stock Exchange Place. Why oh why do venues keep changing venues at the last minute, or leaking false locations? :shock:

Anyway, Rann has apparently said this afterwards...

"I think one of the critical issues is whether a divided opposition that get their costings wrong and don't get their homework right, now an opposition on L-plates can become a government on L-plates and whether that's good for our state."

What happened in 2002 in SA?
What happened in 2007 Federally?

If you haven't been in govt for a while, you always go to an election on L plates and if elected, you graduate to your P Plates.

Is the Labor message changing again - away from 'Redmond is a risk' and towards "the Opposition is in disarray and is inexperienced"??

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:25 pm
by Jimmy_041
MC could have walked around the ring with the round number card

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Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:32 pm
by wycbloods
Jimmy_041 wrote:MC could have walked around the ring with the round number card

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How would Ranndy be able to have a debate with Isobel if MC was doing that :lol: :lol:

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:14 pm
by Squawk
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/in-depth/sa-state-election-debate-on-channel-10-to-be-held-in-peak-hour-traffic/story-fn2sdwup-1225836438455

PREMIER Mike Rann has challenged Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond to a second televised debate after emerging this afternoon from filming of the showdown to be aired tonight.

The Premier last week refused to participate in multiple debates, saying "I think there should be one big debate".

Today, he said he was "more than happy to have a second debate".

"I think that it's a good way of allowing the issues to be fleshed out," he said.

"People say that they like debates, they think it's an opportunity for people to get an opportunity to see the two leaders head-to-head.

Mr Rann refused to declare himself the winner of today's debate, saying "that's for the people of South Australia to determine".

"There could not be a bigger difference between Labor and Liberal on law and order," he said.

"Whether it's on health, whether its on the economy and jobs growth or renewable energy, I'm more than happy to have a second crack."

Ms Redmond said she was "quite happy" with her performance today but admitted to being "quite nervous" at the start.

"By the end of it I was feeling pretty good," she said.

AdelaideNow is seeking comment from Ms Redmond on the prospect of a second debate.

As recently as last week, she said she was willing to participate in multiple debates.

"I'd be happy to," she said.

Ms Redmond has previously offered March 10-12 as days on which she is available for debates.

Today's debate was moderated by journalist Hugh Riminton and questions were asked by an expert panel of local journalists - The Advertiser's Greg Kelton, Channel 10's Daniela Ritorto and the ABC's Matthew Abraham.

It will be screened after a shortened news bulletin from 5.30pm tonight.

Flinders University Associate Professor in Politics Haydon Manning has criticised the programming, saying huge numbers of busy voters stuck in traffic or distracted by household chores will miss the screening.

"It's a charade when it goes on at 5.30pm and many will be distracted by cooking their dinner or stepping out of their cars," he said.

"It's profoundly disappointing that something as import as an opportunity for South Australians to see the leaders in debate has been marginalised."

Ten's director of news Grant Heading said the 5pm news bulletin was viewed by about 100,000 people and provided a "captive audience" for the following debate.

The debate will also be replayed at 11.30pm and placed on Channel 10's website.

The pair arrived at Channel 10's studio just before 11.30am to pre-record the debate.

Entering the building, Mr Rann - dressed in a business suit with a red tie - said he believed debates "are important to compare and contrast".

"There are quite different issues being put forward by both parties and one of the critical issues is whether a divided Opposition who get their costings wrong and don't get their homework right, an Opposition on L-plates, can become an government on L-plates," he said.

Ms Redmond - dressed in black dress, blue jacket and heels - said she was "looking forward" to the debate.

"I don't know what the result will be of course but I am hopeful (of winning)," she said.

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:29 pm
by Jimmy_041
Did Tom Koutsantanos turn up with his P Plates?

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:52 pm
by gossipgirl
Jimmy_041 wrote:Did Tom Koutsantanos turn up with his P Plates?


now that is funny .... classic :lol:

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:37 pm
by Jimmy_041
15 all on opening statements - both were nervous

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:40 pm
by Jimmy_041
Rann looks grey and old - Redmond has beady eyes

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:02 pm
by Jimmy_041
:shock: Mike just said leadership is a "matter of values" :lol: :lol:

and later said that he has heard Miss Redmond is a good mum.....

I'd say a draw

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:11 pm
by Gozu
I thought Rann won that comfortably and supposedly is now keen on another debate.

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:36 pm
by Squawk
I didn't think much of the debate at all. It was more like a job interview than a debate.

What frustrates me is that there was limited ability to distil statistics. For example, there were statistics quoted in terms of numerical values, percentage values and dollar values. FWIW I think Rann won the statistics quoting contest.

Questions from the panel were typically sidestepped as participants focussed on "sticking on message". FWIW I think Redmond won the stakes of answering the questions asked.

There was no chance for the leaders to ask each other a question or two.

The timeframe (1/2 hr) and the timeslot (530pm) were both unacceptable.

The moderator was a fly in from interstate.

There was no one else allowed in. Why not a selection of members of the public?

If there is another "debate", I'd like to see a format like that used on the ABC's Q and A, including Kerry O'brien or Ian Henschke as chairperson and the chance for each party to nominate the second panellist on the other side. Eg Libs might nominate Kouts or O'Brien; Labor might nominate Chapman or McFettridge. Make it an hour on ABC at 730pm on a Friday night, instead of Stateline.

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:35 pm
by Gozu
I think the debate is being replayed tonight at 11:45pm. Rann certainly didn't look too flash, looked like a slightly less cadaverous version of Philip Ruddock.

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:40 pm
by Jimmy_041
Gozu wrote:I thought Rann won that comfortably and supposedly is now keen on another debate.


Well, he certainly didn't want this one, despite his bravado

I was watching the Sky News show afterwards and every commentator (6 I think) said a dead heat with little fireworks

If I was him, I'd be glad for small mercies and not push his luck

I didn't want to hear how Chantellois had affected him - couldn't give a hoot

No mention of mental health or how they suddenly found all of this money in 3 months

The questions were popular but not worthy of the small timeframe

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:07 pm
by mick
I didn't see it but given the partisan replies on here "a draw".

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:14 pm
by Jimmy_041
The last debate I watched was on The West Wing and now judge all on that one - I nearly fell asleep in this one

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:15 am
by Gozu
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Gozu wrote:I thought Rann won that comfortably and supposedly is now keen on another debate.


Well, he certainly didn't want this one, despite his bravado

I was watching the Sky News show afterwards and every commentator (6 I think) said a dead heat with little fireworks

If I was him, I'd be glad for small mercies and not push his luck

I didn't want to hear how Chantellois had affected him - couldn't give a hoot

No mention of mental health or how they suddenly found all of this money in 3 months

The questions were popular but not worthy of the small timeframe


I know he didn't current leaders never do and if he is supposedly now keen on another one it means his people think he either did very well or very poorly (which he obviously didn't) and given you and Sky News have called it a draw I think it's safe to say he did pretty well.

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:24 am
by CK
wycbloods wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:MC could have walked around the ring with the round number card

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How would Ranndy be able to have a debate with Isobel if MC was doing that :lol: :lol:


Bears more than a passing resemblence to the Premier's current nemesis :)

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:59 am
by Jimmy_041
Couldn't believe my luck when I found it.....

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:04 am
by Squawk
The Leader of the Opposition has now publicly challenged MR to a second debate - in the seat of Chaffey. Her goal is to focus on Water issues as well as regional issues for the state.

Re: The "Great Debate"

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:00 am
by Jimmy_041
Gee, that blew up in your face Mike

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