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Aside from the disgraceful comments by the Liberal's Scott Morrison about boat people we now have both Tony Windsor and Bob Brown receiveing death threats in regards to the proposed carbon tax and also low rent human beings like Eric Abetz & Sophie Mirabella (funninly enough both Liberal Party politicians) today coming out and comparing PM Julia Gillard to Colonel Gaddafi a murderous dictator.

Clive Hamilton on the death threats to Tony Windsor:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/02/win ... -ramps-up/

Treasurer Wayne Swan appalled by Gaddafi comparison:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011 ... ion=justin

seriously no idea. These no name backbenchers get in front of the bright lights and in what would be an attempt at humour completely overstep the mark. Maybe they should take a leaf out of their party leaders book and keep there mouth shut.

Sophie Mirabella has a record in the barking mad outlandish statements area. She'll be forced to make an (insincere) apology and be reined in....again. Her and Barnaby Joyce are the Corrine Grant and Pete Hellier of Australian politics. THEY think they are REALLY funny but no one else does.

What does Abbott bring?

Won't be interviewed by anyone other than his friendly shock jocks.

Happy to allow racist comments from his MP's with no admonition.

Happy to allow his MP's to compare the PM with Gaddafi.

Takes his climate change quotes direct from the One Nation website.

Calls for a 'people's revolt', straight out of the US Tea Party handbook.

I could go on, but you get the drift.

Surely he could show some strength and leadership, rather than this pandering to the lowest common denominator.

He couldn't be PM, we need something better than a policy vacuum attack dog.

Awful Mirrabella.....she is still getting over the "demon child" claims.

R&B's concerns put in perspective:

Won't be interviewed by anyone other than his friendly shock jocks.
Common sense? It reminds me of Paul Keating and Kerry O'Brien

Happy to allow racist comments from his MP's with no admonition.
Happy to allow his MP's to compare the PM with Gaddafi.
Allows free speech whether or not he agrees - it's called democracy.
[I suspect he may tell them they've been stupid in private rather that have a public spat that you could then deride as "division".]

Takes his climate change quotes direct from the One Nation website.
Have they got a website? Would Tony have noticed as he is not very techie?

Calls for a 'people's revolt', straight out of the US Tea Party handbook.
Well, I certainly object to MPs breaking very clear promises and then trying to pretend they hadn't made a clear promise.
It makes me want to throw them out of office - in fact it is how Paul Keating pushed me to join the Liberal Party.

I could go on, but you get the drift.
You do..

Eric Abetz & Sophie Mirabella:
I do agree with the idea that they are a bit loony, and not good candidates.
But in the Liberal Party, if the local members in the seats select them, there are no factional heavies with the power to overrule that democratic selection process.
They would have to persuade the local membership to select someone else.

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Psyber wrote:R&B's concerns put in perspective:

I'll give you the real reasons, Psyber

Won't be interviewed by anyone other than his friendly shock jocks.
Common sense? It reminds me of Paul Keating and Kerry O'Brien

Shit scared

Happy to allow racist comments from his MP's with no admonition.
Happy to allow his MP's to compare the PM with Gaddafi.
Allows free speech whether or not he agrees - it's called democracy.

Bullshit, it's called lack of principle

[I suspect he may tell them they've been stupid in private rather that have a public spat that you could then deride as "division".]

Shit scared

Takes his climate change quotes direct from the One Nation website.
Have they got a website? Would Tony have noticed as he is not very techie?

A recent quote of his in Parliament was hoisted directly from the One Nation website

Calls for a 'people's revolt', straight out of the US Tea Party handbook.

Well, I certainly object to MPs breaking very clear promises and then trying to pretend they hadn't made a clear promise.

Very selective, Psyber. Does this also cover 'core' or 'non-core' promises. Didn't Abbott say he told lies, so get it in writing?

It makes me want to throw them out of office - in fact it is how Paul Keating pushed me to join the Liberal Party.

I could go on, but you get the drift.


b]Eric Abetz & Sophie Mirabella:[/b]
I do agree with the idea that they are a bit loony, and not good candidates.
But in the Liberal Party, if the local members in the seats select them, there are no factional heavies with the power to overrule that democratic selection process.


You are joking

They would have to persuade the local membership to select someone else.

Well, shit happens

Abetz's career should have ended after the disgraceful Godwin Grech affair ...

Morrison has denied the comments attributed to him. If you want to state them as fact then you have to accept that Julia Gillard does not care about pensioner's because they do not vote labor, which is also disgraceful, as this was also and unsubstantiated leak of comments attributed to her in cabinet before the election.

Tony Windsor didn't lodge a complaint with the Federal Police until after the interview he gave, and although the voicemail he played had some colourful language and was certainly not appropriate, it did not contain a death threat. Bob Brown has not lodged a complaint with the AFP either (as far as I am aware of, stand to be corrected on this).

I will also point out that the indenities of the culprits (should they exist) are not know, and therefore neither is their political allegience.

Mirabella's comments are not at all offensive as they clearly only refer to Gaddifi's claims in the last few days that his people still love him, not his conduct as a dictator over his rule.

Labor are spooked and clutching at straws i'm afraid. Greens would be happy however.

And now SA Liberal senator Mary-Jo Fisher has started a mad dance routine in 'debating' the new carbon tax

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6015228288

I think the Mary-Jo suits her, more suited to Jerry Springer than Parliament

Bat Pad wrote:Morrison has denied the comments attributed to him. If you want to state them as fact then you have to accept that Julia Gillard does not care about pensioner's because they do not vote labor, which is also disgraceful, as this was also and unsubstantiated leak of comments attributed to her in cabinet before the election.

Tony Windsor didn't lodge a complaint with the Federal Police until after the interview he gave, and although the voicemail he played had some colourful language and was certainly not appropriate, it did not contain a death threat. Bob Brown has not lodged a complaint with the AFP either (as far as I am aware of, stand to be corrected on this).

I will also point out that the indenities of the culprits (should they exist) are not know, and therefore neither is their political allegience.

Mirabella's comments are not at all offensive as they clearly only refer to Gaddifi's claims in the last few days that his people still love him, not his conduct as a dictator over his rule.

Labor are spooked and clutching at straws i'm afraid. Greens would be happy however.

I disagree - I reckon the Greens would be looking on in horror as this issue is being used as a political football.

Tackling climate change requires cool heads (no pun intended) and a bipartisan approach - far from what the opposition is serving up at the moment.

fish wrote:Tackling climate change requires cool heads (no pun intended) and a bipartisan approach - far from what the opposition is serving up at the moment.

Labor is not blameless though - the pre-election promise not to put a price on carbon was wrong and I can't blame the opposition for exploiting this broken promise.

Also a huge mistake was made several years ago under Rudd when Labor had the mandate to act on climate change but proposed an emissions trading scheme that was deficient and thus not acceptable to the Greens. If they'd worked with the Greens to come up with a decent scheme they may well have got the legislation through the parliament and we'd now be into its' first or second year...

fish wrote:Also a huge mistake was made several years ago under Rudd when Labor had the mandate to act on climate change but proposed an emissions trading scheme that was deficient and thus not acceptable to the Greens. If they'd worked with the Greens to come up with a decent scheme they may well have got the legislation through the parliament and we'd now be into its' first or second year...

It also might've had a chance of getting through if Rudd hadn't refused to even meet Bob Brown in the last 12 months of his Prime Ministership:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politic ... 5881639580

fish wrote:

fish wrote:Tackling climate change requires cool heads (no pun intended) and a bipartisan approach - far from what the opposition is serving up at the moment.

Labor is not blameless though - the pre-election promise not to put a price on carbon was wrong and I can't blame the opposition for exploiting this broken promise.

Also a huge mistake was made several years ago under Rudd when Labor had the mandate to act on climate change but proposed an emissions trading scheme that was deficient and thus not acceptable to the Greens. If they'd worked with the Greens to come up with a decent scheme they may well have got the legislation through the parliament and we'd now be into its' first or second year...

Agreed, the Greens model is much better. [The Democrats model is very similar.]
My objection to the ALP plan was that it appeared to be just a tax and did not commit to helping fund technology change.

Psyber wrote:

fish wrote:

fish wrote:Tackling climate change requires cool heads (no pun intended) and a bipartisan approach - far from what the opposition is serving up at the moment.

Labor is not blameless though - the pre-election promise not to put a price on carbon was wrong and I can't blame the opposition for exploiting this broken promise.

Also a huge mistake was made several years ago under Rudd when Labor had the mandate to act on climate change but proposed an emissions trading scheme that was deficient and thus not acceptable to the Greens. If they'd worked with the Greens to come up with a decent scheme they may well have got the legislation through the parliament and we'd now be into its' first or second year...

Agreed, the Greens model is much better. [The Democrats model is very similar.]
My objection to the ALP plan was that it appeared to be just a tax and did not commit to helping fund technology change.

Good point - Details hyet to be revealed as I'm lead to understand, but just taxing the big companies then using that money to offset the raise in living cost to the general public doesn't seem to make sense to me... All it will do is make the general public pay more and 'slightly' reduce the energy consumed - dont forget people still drive their cars when petrol prices go up (so it has no effect on the carbon produced). But how does this tax force/encourage the big producers ie industry when all they are doing is passing on the tax to consumers or moving their carbon producing manufacturing off shore to carbon tax free countries - without investment into green energy / efficiency - and lots of it, I dont think a simple tax can provide the solution that we require.