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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Psyber » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:26 am

I'm a bit worried about the pressure to always believe the woman and assume guilt on the part of accused males...

Age 15, and again at 16, I was propositioned by different girls - the first was an older cousin and I was shocked, and politely declined. It turned out she was pregnant and looking for someone to hang it on. The second I was suspicious of, therefore, and turned her down too - time revealed it was the same situation.

At the other end, twice in the 1980s, between my marriages, I politely declined invitations by women who did not appeal to me, and in situations where it would have been inappropriate to get involved anyway, and both later accused me making the approach.

Then there was one who came to my home and went to bed with me, then started saying "No, No, No" at the critical moment. I leapt out of bed, and after dressing and talking to her for a while, drove her home. She apologised to me years later for her confused behaviour at the time.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:11 am

It's a tricky one Psyber that's for sure.

The biggest issue is that we really need the correct process to be followed but there are so many situations where the he said she said goes either way.

I don't know what the answer is, this can go either way and be manipulated either way as well.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Booney » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:13 am

Ben Small. You idiot.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Dinglinga75 » Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:15 am

Booney wrote:Ben Small. You idiot.


You would think any WA Liberal would be very quiet at the moment ....
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby tigerpie » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:45 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:
Booney wrote:Ben Small. You idiot.


You would think any WA Liberal would be very quiet at the moment ....

You would also think due to the subject matter you might keep it zipped.
But not this clown.
Do politicians have to do an aptitude test to get into Parliament?

Cause there are some serious f**kups with too much power running the joint.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:56 am

tigerpie wrote:
Dinglinga75 wrote:
Booney wrote:Ben Small. You idiot.


You would think any WA Liberal would be very quiet at the moment ....

You would also think due to the subject matter you might keep it zipped.
But not this clown.
Do politicians have to do an aptitude test to get into Parliament?

Cause there are some serious f**kups with too much power running the joint.

Ben Small is just one of the many puppets in Canberra. All they do is recite crap from their daily reading notes. It's sad. One day a politician with empathy will turn up .... don't hold your breathe.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:47 am

tigerpie wrote:
Dinglinga75 wrote:
Booney wrote:Ben Small. You idiot.


You would think any WA Liberal would be very quiet at the moment ....

You would also think due to the subject matter you might keep it zipped.
But not this clown.
Do politicians have to do an aptitude test to get into Parliament?

Cause there are some serious f**kups with too much power running the joint.


Yep - you only get in if you fail it
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:34 pm

stan wrote:It's a tricky one Psyber that's for sure.

The biggest issue is that we really need the correct process to be followed but there are so many situations where the he said she said goes either way.

I don't know what the answer is, this can go either way and be manipulated either way as well.


The stats say otherwise:

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:42 pm

Q. wrote:
stan wrote:It's a tricky one Psyber that's for sure.

The biggest issue is that we really need the correct process to be followed but there are so many situations where the he said she said goes either way.

I don't know what the answer is, this can go either way and be manipulated either way as well.


The stats say otherwise:

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Well there you go.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:00 am

stan wrote:
Q. wrote:
stan wrote:It's a tricky one Psyber that's for sure.

The biggest issue is that we really need the correct process to be followed but there are so many situations where the he said she said goes either way.

I don't know what the answer is, this can go either way and be manipulated either way as well.


The stats say otherwise:

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Well there you go.


If it was true. They are not stats.
Being on Twitter doesn’t make it a fact
Google Enliven Project but here’s a start: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... tatistics/
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:54 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:If it was true. They are not stats.
Being on Twitter doesn’t make it a fact
Google Enliven Project but here’s a start: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... tatistics/


At the bottom of your article:

The graphic correctly portrays an argument made by advocates for sexual assault victims: There is a relatively low false-reporting rate.

Which is the point being made. Thanks for coming.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:56 pm

Scott Morrison, Andrew Bolt and PVO are providing cultural cover for every rapist that ever got away with it

Scott Morrison, in shielding Christian Porter from even a remotely adequate inquiry into allegations against him – whether he did it or not – is positioning his Government on the side of every rapist that ever got away with it. Everywhere and every when. Which is statistically nearly all of them.

Morrison’s actions champion the impunity of privilege, winking encouragement at the complicit silence that forms around powerful rapey men everywhere.

Because of his medieval response, the two sexual assaults at the centre of the nation’s outrage are now proxies for all sexual assaults.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:14 pm

Q. wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:If it was true. They are not stats.
Being on Twitter doesn’t make it a fact
Google Enliven Project but here’s a start: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... tatistics/


At the bottom of your article:

The graphic correctly portrays an argument made by advocates for sexual assault victims: There is a relatively low false-reporting rate.

Which is the point being made. Thanks for coming.


Except it is factually incorrect and misleading and she admits it. I don't disagree with the argument but that graphic is not fact as portrayed

The Enliven Project’s Response

When The Fact Checker asked Beaulieu why she did not change the graphic to fix errors she admitted, she said: “The original one is already the one that has gone viral and is the one that’s continuing to be circulated. I think what I did do was make sure that the link back to the site that’s on the graphic links to the full explanation that acknowledges the distinction.” Yet the link isn’t even a hyperlink, so the explanation is not readily accessible to those who may be scrolling through their news feeds. You literally have to type out a complex URL to find her explanations.

Beaulieu said she intended the graphic to be a conversation-starter: “The intention of the graphic was to create a way to capture people’s attention so that there can be dialogue about it.”

The Pinocchio Test
The graphic correctly portrays an argument made by advocates for sexual assault victims: There is a relatively low false-reporting rate. Advocates say the statistics are contrary to what they believe is general public assumption that sexual-assault victims are more likely to falsely report or accuse perpetrators. (In context, violent crimes generally do not have high rates of false reporting.)

But for a graphic titled “the truth about false accusation,” it is quite misleading, and incorrect in many aspects. It’s a pretty graphic, but pretty does not mean accurate; it should serve as a cautionary tale to those in the public prone to retweets or reposts of attractive graphics. In many cases, when faced with a range of figures, Beaulieu put her finger on the scale by choosing the number that grabbed as much attention as possible, such as choosing two for false reports rather than 10.

While Beaulieu said she wanted to have a conversation-starter, in the end her graphic is so confusing and misleading that it potentially sends the conversation into a dead end. The conversation needs to start with accurate facts, and Beaulieu had a responsibility to correct the graphic when her errors were first highlighted two years ago, rather than bury them in a difficult-to-find blog post. Thus the Enliven Project earns Three Pinocchios.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Trader » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:36 pm

At the risk of being labelled a rapist defender.... I'll roll the dice and talk stats.

So 25% of reported rapes end up facing trial.
10 get jail time and the other 15 don't.

So are there a lot of judges finding people guilty but not jailing them?
Or are there a lot of people being found not guilty (more than half of those that go to trial)?

So 90 out of 100 reported rapes are found to be not guilty, or the report was dropped.

So is there a presumption of innocence for those 90%?
Or does society jump being the metoo movement and we trust the pretty graphic, ie: 998 out of every 1000 are rapists.

In reality, we all know the truth is somewhere between the two.
False accusations are between 0.2% and 90% and you can twist the numbers to suit your argument.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:34 pm

Trader wrote:At the risk of being labelled a rapist defender.... I'll roll the dice and talk stats.

So 25% of reported rapes end up facing trial.
10 get jail time and the other 15 don't.

So are there a lot of judges finding people guilty but not jailing them?
Or are there a lot of people being found not guilty (more than half of those that go to trial)?

So 90 out of 100 reported rapes are found to be not guilty, or the report was dropped.

So is there a presumption of innocence for those 90%?
Or does society jump being the metoo movement and we trust the pretty graphic, ie: 998 out of every 1000 are rapists.

In reality, we all know the truth is somewhere between the two.
False accusations are between 0.2% and 90% and you can twist the numbers to suit your argument.

.... and it's your type of analysis that is motivating women in Australia to take to the streets. It's inflammatory.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby tigerpie » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:57 pm

The graphic was a poor example.
That sort of imbalance has to be exaggerated or they go into the false claim category.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby whufc » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:29 pm

Q. wrote:
stan wrote:It's a tricky one Psyber that's for sure.

The biggest issue is that we really need the correct process to be followed but there are so many situations where the he said she said goes either way.

I don't know what the answer is, this can go either way and be manipulated either way as well.


The stats say otherwise:

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Quick dumb question about that graph.

How can there be that many rapists if they have not been reported, trialled, found guilty or not guilty. How does one be a rapist but not fall into those other four categories.

Dumb question I know.....its been a long day.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:14 pm

ScMo and his MPs are having a good patch at the moment.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Booney » Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:24 am

I've worked in some strange places with some seriously strange people, I mean really strange people and I've never had, known, or heard of anyone sending their work mates pictures or video of them rubbing one out.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby stan » Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:26 am

Booney wrote:I've worked in some strange places with some seriously strange people, I mean really strange people and I've never had, known, or heard of anyone sending their work mates pictures or video of them rubbing one out.
Some really strange goings on at the moment in Canberra.
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