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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Q. » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:34 pm

China are introducing a carbon emissions trading scheme though.

We emit over four times as much carbon per capita than China, and are a nation with one of the strongest economies in the world, yet we still refuse to make changes.
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Psyber » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:34 pm

Quichey wrote:China are introducing a carbon emissions trading scheme though.
We emit over four times as much carbon per capita than China, and are a nation with one of the strongest economies in the world, yet we still refuse to make changes.
Yes, but I'd still argue a trading scheme will not by itself reduce emissions, just add a cost.
The cost may eventually push change but not fast - if we want change we should drive it actively.

If we embraced the French solution and we could reduce our CO2 emissions down to 90gm per KWh of energy generated as they have done.
But instead we are following Denmark's lead where 650gm per KWh is the result.
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Re: Abbott Watch

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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:39 pm

what we do will not make one iota of a difference, like i have said before if the PM was fair dinkum there would be no concessions to lead and zinc smelters,petrol,farmers,coal mines,power stations.
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:50 pm

It will make a difference. It forces a shift toward efficient carbon use and pumps funding into renewable energy development and implementation. Taking the initiative on tackling atmospheric pollution has a positive global impact.

It puts us on a path to reduce CO2e over time:

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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:03 pm

ok it will make a difference!! :lol: did you get this graph from mr Flannery or mr Garnaut?? or maybe Al Gore??
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:06 pm

straight talker wrote:ok it will make a difference!! :lol: did you get this graph from mr Flannery or mr Garnaut?? or maybe Al Gore??


It's actually from an article in The Economist, imploring the British government to adopt a similar carbon pricing scheme.
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:15 pm

ok the econimist i guess thats a paper who is a bit like the Australian is towards the Labor party!? i bet the British government dont adobt anything like this disaster.
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Q. » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:44 pm

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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby redandblack » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:31 am

Q, we all know The Economist is a Marxist propoganda sheet 8)

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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby dedja » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:58 am

LOL, classic ... I blame the education system :lol:
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Psyber » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:17 am

Quichey wrote:
straight talker wrote:ok it will make a difference!! :lol: did you get this graph from mr Flannery or mr Garnaut?? or maybe Al Gore??
It's actually from an article in The Economist, imploring the British government to adopt a similar carbon pricing scheme.
It does look like the projection of an optimist to me.
Up here in the cold hills my recent experience is that rising energy costs have driven the locals back to burning any wood they can scrounge free rather than pay for electric or LPG heating.
And that is before the Carbon Tax even bites, so that sort of response needs to be factored into the graph.
After a $1450.00 electricity bill last winter I'm tempted too, but I'm trying just heating one section of the house this winter.

Again, nuclear France 90gm of CO2 per KWh of energy produced, versus Denmark's 650 gm CO2 per KWh, as renewable sources replace coal use gradually there..
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby redandblack » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:22 am

From The Age;

Unquestionably, Abbott has been a runaway success with his campaign against the government's carbon pricing regime. Public support for the government and Gillard has all but collapsed. But this success has not come without a great potential cost for Abbott should he win office. Since he became leader in December 2009, he has reduced himself almost to a political parody - a politician who can rail and complain and harness community anger and generate fear but himself appears to stand for hardly anything, including the words from his own mouth.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi ... z1SswkpHNf
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:19 pm

prices rise again!! we will sort out inflation!! ala the lying incompetent Labor party. promises broken again??
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby GWW » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:39 pm

straight talker wrote:prices rise again!!


Really :shock: Wow thats never happened with any other Govt before :o

Might need to re-write the laws of economics if prices actually rise :shock:
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:46 pm

Labor told the people of Australia that the price of inflation would be kept low?? now the price rise has begun and the consumer will be paying big time. More Labor spin!!
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby dedja » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:50 pm

Inflation rate from 1973 to present day ...

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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:55 pm

dont think you would have todays in there!!?? seeing as tho you are good at bringing up graphs is there any chance you could get hold of the temperature of the world for the last 50 years and the sea level??
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby dedja » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:57 pm

straight talker wrote:Labor told the people of Australia that the price of inflation would be kept low?? now the price rise has begun and the consumer will be paying big time. More Labor spin!!


But didn't little Johnny make the same promise?

You see, the cancer is on both sides of the political divide!
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby straight talker » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:10 pm

not sure but if you say so! i know he took the gst to an election and let the people of Australia decide!? unlike juliar and her carbon tax??
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