Relegation in the HFL

[supercoach]

The has been is pretty spot on here. Lobey should be the team going down based on the past 4 years. Karma will occur and they will still be bottom this time next year in the A's so that will hopefully be that. Done and dusted. Both clubs lost a lot of respect the other night. There is no doubt that if it was Bridgy or Bankers they would taken the AGM directive last year and gone down, done their time and returned. This is damage to the league big time.

[Afterthesiren]

The has been is pretty spot on here. Lobey should be the team going down based on the past 4 years. Karma will occur and they will still be bottom this time next year in the A's so that will hopefully be that. Done and dusted. Both clubs lost a lot of respect the other night. There is no doubt that if it was Bridgy or Bankers they would taken the AGM directive last year and gone down, done their time and returned. This is damage to the league big time.

I can't believe the clubs and the league are going to bend over for two clubs clearly not 'cut out' for Central Div. I was told that at the meeting the other night it took about half an hour for Lobethal and Birdwood to speak up about their reasons for staying in Central and even then they were prompted to speak by another club. How pathetic... do these clubs realise the damage they are doing or are they that self indulged. What a quick way to be despised by every club in the competition.

[Joe Blow]

I agree that birdwood and loby are being pigheaded and stubborn, but i find it impossible to believe that every other club wouldn't do the same in their position. Sure they may have lost some respect, but if they save their club from losing players. members, sponsors etc it would be worth it i suppose.

[aceman]

I agree that birdwood and loby are being pigheaded and stubborn, but i find it impossible to believe that every other club wouldn't do the same in their position. Sure they may have lost some respect, but if they save their club from losing players. members, sponsors etc it would be worth it i suppose.

As has been mentioned many times before, had the promotion/relegation system been implimented a few years ago as per the SAAFL, this would never have happened and life in the HFL would be so simple.

[sound4]

It is hardly pig headed and stubborn for a club to look after it's own backyard. I am sure every other club facing relegation would do exactly the same thing.

I totally agree with aceman, there should be a relegation system in place similar to the SAAFL although teams can only be promoted if they want to be, there is no point sending a team to Central if they don't want to be there. This also gives the chance for Birdwood or Lobethal that may get relegated to move back into Central the next year. It may motivate some better players to stay at the club and help them get back into Central Div.

Stick to your guns Gimp

[Tanka]

The has been is pretty spot on here. Lobey should be the team going down based on the past 4 years. Karma will occur and they will still be bottom this time next year in the A's so that will hopefully be that. Done and dusted. Both clubs lost a lot of respect the other night. There is no doubt that if it was Bridgy or Bankers they would taken the AGM directive last year and gone down, done their time and returned. This is damage to the league big time.

Super, normally I reckon you are pretty astute with your comments and I agree with most you write, but this has to be the dumbest thing you have ever said. Bridgy have fought/paid for the last 10 years not to be demoted based on their results and facilities, and Bankers have recruited very heavily after the start of this season to ensure thay are not relegated.

ATS please tell us who you support as a club is and enlighten us on the benefits to any club to be relegated to the Country competition as it currently is ??

[HB_Flanker]

It is hardly pig headed and stubborn for a club to look after it's own backyard. I am sure every other club facing relegation would do exactly the same thing.

I totally agree with aceman, there should be a relegation system in place similar to the SAAFL although teams can only be promoted if they want to be, there is no point sending a team to Central if they don't want to be there. This also gives the chance for Birdwood or Lobethal that may get relegated to move back into Central the next year. It may motivate some better players to stay at the club and help them get back into Central Div.

Stick to your guns Gimp

The diference between the Hills and the SAAFL is that the SAAFL clubs Junior teams are in independant competitions. So the relegation / promotion really only relates to the team in the HFL it is the club that is promoted and relegated. Its ok to say let the Country div premier decide but history (and the current debacle) shows that ego's cause decisions to be made for the wrong reasons rather than whats good for the game and the competition. That is why the HFL has the system it has now where the Senior team needs to be strong but also there are boxes that need to be ticked with the Junior teams as well so that the whole competition in all grades of the Central competition remains sound.

On the loss of player/supporters/sponsors due to move to country Yes a couple of players that have tickets on themselves might go but does anyone seriously think supporters that have been watching Lobey and Birdwood struggle would leave when they can go and watch them win more games than theyll lose. Likewise sponsors this isnt the AFL - Sponsoring local clubs isnt a business decision its an emotional decision - sponsors put their money in because of an association with the club either a local business that sponsors as part of supporting the community or people involoved in the club that put in their own or their business's money, they wont walk because of the competition they are playing in.

The reality is that if either of the two clubs go to country they will struggle to get back in because there are 5 teams in a 10k radius with a collective population probably less than Mt Barker's and very little major business. That is part of the reason these clubs are weaker and why it is appropriate for at least one of them to play in the competition that is appropriate for their level of player and financial resources. Unless the clubs have the balls to start talking merger they will always belong with the country division clubs

[FairDinkum]

Money and support from business/sponsors to run football clubs has never been more important and I don't know if it has been raised yet but I think that Lobethal, and was it Uraidla are sporting clubs. So the money that flows across the bar doesn't go to the football club, it goes to the sporting club which incorporates netball, tennis, cricket etc etc. If they had access to all of the cash being competitive in an ongoing way would be a hell of a lot easier. Maybe someone from a club like that could confirm?
And for my two cents worth I'd assume that the committees of these clubs have talked to their supporters and members and are sure everyone is aware and supportive, then don't roll over and take the relegation without a fight.

[FlyingHigh]

Money and support from business/sponsors to run football clubs has never been more important and I don't know if it has been raised yet but I think that Lobethal, and was it Uraidla are sporting clubs. So the money that flows across the bar doesn't go to the football club, it goes to the sporting club which incorporates netball, tennis, cricket etc etc. If they had access to all of the cash being competitive in an ongoing way would be a hell of a lot easier. Maybe someone from a club like that could confirm?
And for my two cents worth I'd assume that the committees of these clubs have talked to their supporters and members and are sure everyone is aware and supportive, then don't roll over and take the relegation without a fight.

But wouldn't that be a two-way street?

[Trooper]

Money and support from business/sponsors to run football clubs has never been more important and I don't know if it has been raised yet but I think that Lobethal, and was it Uraidla are sporting clubs. So the money that flows across the bar doesn't go to the football club, it goes to the sporting club which incorporates netball, tennis, cricket etc etc. If they had access to all of the cash being competitive in an ongoing way would be a hell of a lot easier. Maybe someone from a club like that could confirm?
And for my two cents worth I'd assume that the committees of these clubs have talked to their supporters and members and are sure everyone is aware and supportive, then don't roll over and take the relegation without a fight.

That's Spot on FairDinkum. Lobethal's facilities are part of a Sports Club, and only get a very small percentage of funds that go across the bar. The football club is doing well, but if all the funds that went across the bar during football season stayed with the football club they could potentially throw money around like GH does at TV.

And yes the committee did speak to us supporters, sponsors and members about the situation and i'm glad we're trying to stay up in central, yet the way the points system is at the moment we may survive in central without needing all the discussion. Yet the system still isn't ideal so if it can be reworked now for future years i'm glad its being laid on the table.

[the big fella]

Where do clubs get their money??

Torrens Valley...obvoius
Mt Barker...Had $180k in the bank..good sponsors and lots of them
Hahndorf had a swoopers club a few yrs ago that raised lots of money..but that has disappeared???

Mt.Lofty..???
Uraidla..??
Gumeracha..had some in the bank but i hear that has all gone.

Anyone know more???

[Banker]

That's Spot on FairDinkum. Lobethal's facilities are part of a Sports Club, and only get a very small percentage of funds that go across the bar. The football club is doing well, but if all the funds that went across the bar during football season stayed with the football club they could potentially throw money around like GH does at TV.

Mt Lofty and Ironbank are run like this too. And also we never get Grand Finals, your probably budgeting to take 10k from that alone this year.

Next excuse thanks.

[Amateur Footy]

Where do clubs get their money??

Torrens Valley...obvoius
Mt Barker...Had $180k in the bank..good sponsors and lots of them
Hahndorf had a swoopers club a few yrs ago that raised lots of money..but that has disappeared???

Mt.Lofty..???
Uraidla..??
Gumeracha..had some in the bank but i hear that has all gone.

Anyone know more???

Uraidla - Strawberries

I/B - a heap of hard work and fundraising. Improved sponsorship this year but it's nothing compared to bigger clubs.

[Trooper]

That's Spot on FairDinkum. Lobethal's facilities are part of a Sports Club, and only get a very small percentage of funds that go across the bar. The football club is doing well, but if all the funds that went across the bar during football season stayed with the football club they could potentially throw money around like GH does at TV.

Mt Lofty and Ironbank are run like this too. And also we never get Grand Finals, your probably budgeting to take 10k from that alone this year.

Next excuse thanks.

We don't get stuff all from Grand Finals. We get the canteen and bar takings from the other side of the oval(stuff all as everyone brings their own grog in). Don't get gate takings, don't get bar takings from the club. Then when a record crowd comes to the games we have to give a percentage of the gate back to the HFL for the clubs that don't have finals. So for the small amount we take the percentage we have to give back is too much and not worth it. So you guys can have the grand final. We don't want it.

[toot toot]

That's Spot on FairDinkum. Lobethal's facilities are part of a Sports Club, and only get a very small percentage of funds that go across the bar. The football club is doing well, but if all the funds that went across the bar during football season stayed with the football club they could potentially throw money around like GH does at TV.

Mt Lofty and Ironbank are run like this too. And also we never get Grand Finals, your probably budgeting to take 10k from that alone this year.

Next excuse thanks.

i thought Mt Lofty had changed so the bar was run by the footy club? Bridgy is the same, receives a % allocation once turnover hits a certain point for the week during footy season. the percentage then increases the higher the turnover gets.

[Vaughan]

We don't get stuff all from Grand Finals. We get the canteen and bar takings from the other side of the oval(stuff all as everyone brings their own grog in). Don't get gate takings, don't get bar takings from the club. Then when a record crowd comes to the games we have to give a percentage of the gate back to the HFL for the clubs that don't have finals. So for the small amount we take the percentage we have to give back is too much and not worth it. So you guys can have the grand final. We don't want it.

hi trooper
im sure the bridgewater football club would be happy to take grand final of your hands.
i have been saying all damn season that our ground has the most character in the comp and i can just imagine packing upwards of 10 thousand in front of the green shed on gf day.
the FORTRESS will become the COLOSSEUM and will have fans hanging from the cliffs and packed along the stone wall, river bed and heysen trail like damn animals hungry for the great spectacle. just hope the RAIDERS can make it !!!
RAIDERS till I DIE!!!
V.

[Shortman]

Where do clubs get their money??

Torrens Valley...obvoius
Mt Barker...Had $180k in the bank..good sponsors and lots of them
Hahndorf had a swoopers club a few yrs ago that raised lots of money..but that has disappeared???

Mt.Lofty..???
Uraidla..??
Gumeracha..had some in the bank but i hear that has all gone.

Anyone know more???

We dont have the money of the other clubs youve mentioned, but we're far from broke. I believe we've stuck to the budget this year and our canteen and gate-takings are above what they have been for a long time.

Swing and a miss.

[HB_Flanker]

We don't get stuff all from Grand Finals. We get the canteen and bar takings from the other side of the oval(stuff all as everyone brings their own grog in). Don't get gate takings, don't get bar takings from the club. Then when a record crowd comes to the games we have to give a percentage of the gate back to the HFL for the clubs that don't have finals. So for the small amount we take the percentage we have to give back is too much and not worth it. So you guys can have the grand final. We don't want it.

hi trooper
im sure the bridgewater football club would be happy to take grand final of your hands.
i have been saying all damn season that our ground has the most character in the comp and i can just imagine packing upwards of 10 thousand in front of the green shed on gf day.
the FORTRESS will become the COLOSSEUM and will have fans hanging from the cliffs and packed along the stone wall, river bed and heysen trail like damn animals hungry for the great spectacle. just hope the RAIDERS can make it !!!
RAIDERS till I DIE!!!
V.

If you Keep em coming like this V I am going to have to mop the floor Do you do much work at the Comedy Cafe?

[Mop Up]

Where do clubs get their money??

Torrens Valley...obvoius
Mt Barker...Had $180k in the bank..good sponsors and lots of them
Hahndorf had a swoopers club a few yrs ago that raised lots of money..but that has disappeared???

Mt.Lofty..???
Uraidla..??
Gumeracha..had some in the bank but i hear that has all gone.

Anyone know more???

Slight exageration I'm assuming

[supercoach]

Tanka, I mention Bridgy and IB in the context above only in that they would honour the moral obligation if they where in the Birdwood, Lobey situation. The really funny thing is that all clubs thought there would be no prob this year as they presumed IB would be last by a mile. IB have not spent much money at all on recruiting players - far be it the case. Yes they got 3 quality recruits who have come for the right reasons and they hang around and support the club. Over 30 players were also not available over the first 3 rounds and that has a big impact as well. IB simply got there act together and coach campbell has done a great job changing the culture of the club over the pst year or so. It would be gr8 if the birdwoods and lobeys could do that but unfortunately the signals are not there. IB to there credit have been there and done that relegation thing and can testify in all honessty it was probably the making of the club it is today. Keep in mind they get no assistance from anyone and don't even have a population to choose from. A remarkable effort in itself.