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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby KS41 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:35 pm

Sherrin wrote:BDT to head to RMFL giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Ramco to head to Independents giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Robertstown to merge with Eudunda to form stronger 8th team in NEFL.
BSR, Morgan/Cadell, Sedan/Cambrai to form a "Mid Murray Mallee" league of 8 teams. 16 rounds a season where the extra two games would be played against nearest neighbours to cut down on travel.
Final four across the board.

Is this fact or rumour??
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Brock Landers » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:17 am

Apparently the meeting was for all of the clubs in the region to spell out exactly where they stood with player numbers junior numbers etc. I don't think there was any voting or anything like that going on but Dogwatcher knows more than I do....
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby BOM » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:22 am

KS41 wrote:
Sherrin wrote:BDT to head to RMFL giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Ramco to head to Independents giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Robertstown to merge with Eudunda to form stronger 8th team in NEFL.
BSR, Morgan/Cadell, Sedan/Cambrai to form a "Mid Murray Mallee" league of 8 teams. 16 rounds a season where the extra two games would be played against nearest neighbours to cut down on travel.
Final four across the board.

Is this fact or rumour??


Must be Rumour
Was speaking to someone that’s on the Mid Murray committee on Wednesday night - he said since the meeting 2 clubs from the hills league have expressed their interest in joining Mid Murray. Not sure how far along this talk has gone but he seemed very sure they were keen and that their would be a Mid Murray for at least next year. Speaking to the boys at BSR training doesn’t seem like the mallee option would work as most of the guys I spoke to wouldn’t put up with the extra travel.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Dogwatcher » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:06 am

KS41 wrote:
Sherrin wrote:BDT to head to RMFL giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Ramco to head to Independents giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Robertstown to merge with Eudunda to form stronger 8th team in NEFL.
BSR, Morgan/Cadell, Sedan/Cambrai to form a "Mid Murray Mallee" league of 8 teams. 16 rounds a season where the extra two games would be played against nearest neighbours to cut down on travel.
Final four across the board.

Is this fact or rumour??


It's a suggested working model.

Below are some stories on the issue that appeared in this week's Riverland Weekly:

Mid Murray on the brink
By ROB McLEAN

THE Mid Murray Football League is on the brink of folding, following an often emotional forum held at Karoonda on Sunday.
Clubs have until August 10 to decide whether to stave off the closure of the competition or look for other playing avenues.
Sunday’s meeting was held to discuss the future of the Mid Murray and Mallee competitions.
It was prompted by the Mid Murray league’s struggle for numbers and concerns over the future of several Mallee clubs, including Karoonda and Peake.
By the end of the meeting it become evident the Mid Murray competition, which is currently being administered by the Riverland Football League, was under threat.
Low junior numbers and an increasing reliance on players from outside of the region have brought the league’s future into question.
Ramco is investigating a move to the RFL’s Independent competition, while Morgan-Cadell’s future looks grim, leaving three clubs to decide where they will play in the future.
Murray Mallee Barrier zone administrator Tim Jackson fronted the meeting, providing a chance for clubs in the two leagues to state where they think their future lies.
“The landscape is changing quickly and we can’t predict what’s going to happen in five years,” Mr Jackson told the assembled crowd of around 100 football supporters from across the region.
Describing the situation as the ‘elephant in the room’, Mr Jackson said the MMFL clubs needed to consider whether they would join the Mallee Football League.
He said that despite having to travel even further for their football, the two leagues have a common thread through their various farming interests and said a merger could benefit both parties.
“Everyone benefits if you all survive,” Mr Jackson said.
Mallee officials conceded their competition too was under threat and they are happy to travel further in order to ensure the survival of football in the region.
Speaking on behalf of the Lameroo Football Club, legendary player Rodney Maynard described the importance of football in the region.
“It means everything to us,” he said.
“I’ve got a young family and I want to see them involved.
“I was going to retire at the end of this season but if this happens (new teams joining the competition) it might make it more interesting.”
A Karoonda official described the battle his club faced for survival prior to the season.
He conceded the club may “fall over” in coming years but it needed to remain viable for as long as possible for the community’s benefit.
“We looked like falling in a hole at the start of the year,” he said.
“We are going to be around next year, but who knows after that?”
Murrayville player Drew Crane succinctly described the situation and what it represents to the communities.
“If the club dies, then so does the town,” he said.
Clubs officials will now go back to their members and discuss the outcomes of the meeting and where their future lies.
The Blanchetown Swan Reach Football Club will host the next meeting, at which it is expected some resolutions for the region’s football future will be passed.


The startling figures

During the meeting Murray Mallee Barrier zone administrator Tim Jackson provided some startling player figures.
The statistics provided stark illustration of the position Mallee and Mid Murray football is in.
Mallee:
Senior players - 240 required (186 locals playing, with 115 travelling). Juniors - 240 required with only 127 registered.
Mid Murray:
Senior players – 200 required (115 locals playing, with 61 travelling). Juniors – 200 needed with only 106 registered.
Between the two competitions there are 475 players with 176 travelling from outside of the community.
Meanwhile, the region is in the West Adelaide Football Club’s recruiting area and while it is one of the largest zones in size, it has the lowest number of junior players between 10 and 19 years of age.

The Riverland picture

RIVERLAND based football clubs are safe for now but not necessarily so in the future.
Describing the situation at Sunday’s meeting, Riverland Football League commission member Terry Wheeldon said the clubs based in major towns are safe for the short term.
“In the long term, the drought is going to have a significant effect,” he said.
“From an education perspective I can tell you that six schools in the Barmera area have dropped classes in the last few years.”
Mr Wheeldon described the Independent competition as sound but lopsided.
“It seems the towns situated closer to the bigger towns seem to be holding numbers and competitiveness,” he said.
“The three that sit a bit further removed from the Riverland are a year by year proposition based on the hard work of their communities.”

Under age programs also face changes
By ROB McLEAN

A RESTRUCTURE of SANFL under age football could see more of the region’s young stars available to play locally as soon as next season.
Speaking at Sunday’s Mid Murray and Mallee football forum at Karoonda, West Adelaide general manager of football operations Scott Turner said the proposed changes would have big ramifications for local clubs.
Under the proposal being backed by the Bloods, the current under 17s and under 19s competition will be changed to a one team under age structure.
A competition featuring either an under 18 or 19 players will remain.
Mr Turner said an under 18 or under 17 competition held over eight weeks in March or April will also be held – the abbreviated competition meaning the talented youngsters will now be available for their home clubs more often.
Previous reviews of the SANFL underage program have often stalled, however, Mr Turner said this time changes are in store.
“The big difference is that the SANFL is driving it as they see the impacts it’s going to have right through,” he said.
Mr Turner said the new system could even be in place as early as next season.


Opinion: Crunch time for football

By ROB McLEAN

SUNDAY’S football forum at Karoonda provided some very bleak news for those who are passionate about grass roots football in the Riverland, Mid Murray and Mallee.
At the moment the situation is basically affecting Mid Murray and Mallee competitions – their survival threatened by declining populations.
Looking over the discussions on the day, it would seem elementary that the Mid Murray competition will fold at the end of this season, if not the next, ending a shared history of many years.
Mallee football experts expect their competition to further downsize in the next few seasons as well.
Some will say “so what, it’s only football”.
However, the football teams are the lifeblood of those towns, they bring so many more benefits other than just entertainment, health and recreation.
Football clubs bring other people into their towns every two weeks, it may be only for a day but the petrol stations and food providers certainly get a little bit of extra business on those days.
The local bakery and butcher sell pies, pasties and steaks to the footy clubs for lunches and dinners.
The football is also a place to meet and catch up with mates.
With the advance of technology in our lives, we don’t have to leave home if we don’t wish to. Removing a football club from the community further disconnects us from our neighbours and insulates us from those whom we share commonality with.
We can all look back fondly on the times when country football was king, sadly for communities like Morgan and Cadell and even Karoonda, which is relying on its recruiting after nearly folding this year, those boom times are long gone.
Clubs have merged and amalgamated, whole competitions have been disbanded and now it seems even those downsized leagues have plenty to fear.
It is rare to find a club in either of these two leagues that has not been forced to merge in the past – Robertstown in the Mid Murray Football League being an exception.
Noticeable at Sunday’s meeting was that there was very little presence from any of the 13 Riverland Football League clubs.
East Murray and Brown’s Well clubs were in attendance – only too aware of the bleakness of their future.
However, the RFL clubs also need to sit back and take notice of this situation.
As while clubs – particularly those regarded as the ‘Big Six’ – are strong at the moment, the times are a changing.
Where will the Independent competition be in 20 years time? How about the RFL? Will there be enough players for a seconds competition in two decades time?
As rural populations further decline those clubs that believe they have a future will need a far-sighted approach if they are to survive.
Meanwhile, the Mid Murray Football League, especially, doesn’t have that much time.
It is going to be a harrowing three weeks for club officials in that league as they consider the future.
A decision to fold or fight will be made by August 10 – whatever they decide, the march towards oblivion seems unstoppable as the dominoes keep falling over.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Brock Landers » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:20 am

An excellent opinion piece. =D>
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby kick it to me » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:29 pm

Reading about all the troubles that these country clubs are facing really makes me see how lucky i am to play and live in Hills Central. Lets just hope for the sake of the clubs and the towns that somehow footy continues to survive.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Rupert07 » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:54 pm

Heard a strong rumour that Robertstown may be heading Adelaide plains way, mainly due to the travelling aspect isn't much more than they currently do and the locals are hesitant to merge with Eudunda and lose their identity
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby KS41 » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:22 pm

BOM wrote:
KS41 wrote:
Sherrin wrote:BDT to head to RMFL giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Ramco to head to Independents giving them 8th team - eliminating the bye.
Robertstown to merge with Eudunda to form stronger 8th team in NEFL.
BSR, Morgan/Cadell, Sedan/Cambrai to form a "Mid Murray Mallee" league of 8 teams. 16 rounds a season where the extra two games would be played against nearest neighbours to cut down on travel.
Final four across the board.

Is this fact or rumour??


Must be Rumour
Was speaking to someone that’s on the Mid Murray committee on Wednesday night - he said since the meeting 2 clubs from the hills league have expressed their interest in joining Mid Murray. Not sure how far along this talk has gone but he seemed very sure they were keen and that their would be a Mid Murray for at least next year. Speaking to the boys at BSR training doesn’t seem like the mallee option would work as most of the guys I spoke to wouldn’t put up with the extra travel.

Do you know which hills clubs??
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby sparky » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:00 pm

Gum and TV apparently
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Saint » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:08 pm

Aparently people are saying TV want 2 move into hills central div so i find this hard 2 believe
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby sparky » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:15 pm

That's what i thought also, couldn't really see why they would want to come down to our standard, but they were the two mentioned at training. I don't think much will happen next season, talk is that Ramco would be the most likely to go to Indy.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Not Scared » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:22 pm

Just my thoughts on these matters, not that I'm any expert on the leagues involved:

Surely the Mallee teams are way too strong for the Mid Murray teams. There are some seriously good footballers in the Mallee. Would a better option not be for a couple of the stronger teams to get together and join the RFL and let the Mid Murray teams go with the Independents or another league?
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby sunbowler » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:38 pm

Speaking to a BSR player he thinks they will go with a four team comp in 2009 in the hope that Eudunda may join eventually. Ramco are seriously looking at Independent and Morgan Cadell believe that if they go back to one team if they go there they could get some leakage. If they go to another league he thinks it would be closer to Adelaide not further as they would be more likely to retain their travelling players. Eudunda amalgamating with Robertstown is unlikely to happen EVER, such is the 'love'. That doesn't help Mallee though who have to have a real 'think tank'.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:39 pm

Not quite the position of power some Mallee officials thought themselves to be in...
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby KS41 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:50 pm

TV and Gums interesting! Gums would be a good move as they are struggling, better to be competitive than fall in a heap! And you would think Callington would also be smart to consider the same move.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby BOM » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:56 am

sunbowler wrote:Speaking to a BSR player he thinks they will go with a four team comp in 2009 in the hope that Eudunda may join eventually. Ramco are seriously looking at Independent and Morgan Cadell believe that if they go back to one team if they go there they could get some leakage. If they go to another league he thinks it would be closer to Adelaide not further as they would be more likely to retain their travelling players. Eudunda amalgamating with Robertstown is unlikely to happen EVER, such is the 'love'. That doesn't help Mallee though who have to have a real 'think tank'.

From BSR's point of view we were told that we are 99% certain to have a 4 team comp next year and the mallee league never seemed to be an option. with these new clubs floating around even picking up 1 or two of them will go a long way to making sure we never have to worry about the mallee league
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:16 pm

Press release on the issue:

Mid Murray Footy vows to fight on in 2009

Mid Murray Football Association will not fold at the end of the season following a delegates meeting at Blanchetown last night.
A proposal to merge with the Mallee Football League that was floated at the Murray Mallee Summit at Karoonda last month was rejected by all clubs.
A proposed summit follow-up this Sunday at Swan Reach to further discussion about the two leagues amalgamating has been cancelled as a result of last night’s meeting.
Mid Murray president Peter Zadow said despite widespread speculation in recent weeks that the league was set to fold, there was enough support at the meeting last night to keep the league going and perhaps expand the league in the seasons ahead.
Blanchetown-Swan Reach, Sedan-Cambrai and Morgan all indicated that their members preferred to stay in Mid Murray, while Mr Zadow is hopeful that Robertstown will also stick with the league once they have fully considered all their options.
Ramco Football Club officially notified the Mid Murray last night that their members had voted to join the Riverland Football League’s Independent competition, citing a lack of player numbers as the main reason.
Mr Zadow said that he was determined to keep the league going. “It is the best option for our kids and clubs. In many ways a four team comp will be better than five and there are a few leagues, like Kangaroo Island and Broken Hill, where four team competitions are doing well,” he said.
“All our clubs have gone back to their members after last month’s summit and received instructions, and the overwhelming feedback at last night’s meeting was that Mid Murray remains and every effort should be made to attract more clubs to our league,” he said.
“Over the next couple of weeks we will be looking at framing up at least a four-team competition for 2009, but we would certainly welcome any other club interested in joining our league.
“We think our league has a lot to offer clubs who might be really struggling to compete in stronger nearby leagues.
“That’s the beauty of Mid Murray – it is real grassroots football, there’s netball and football and very few, if any, paid players.
“A club who might be getting flogged every week in their current league can come to our league and know they are going to be competitive by playing locals and not outlaying money for players. We think that will appeal to a few around the place.
“We are all about giving locals a game of football and netball and keeping families together.”
Mr Zadow said he would like to hear from any club interested in joining Mid Murray.
“We are not going to fold this year, we have a culture that is more sustainable than some may appreciate.
“We are disappointed that Ramco has opted to go as they are a founding club of this association, but we respect their right to do what they think is best for their club.”
Mr Zadow said club delegates last night indicated that they will almost certainly increase the age limit for their senior colts competition from under 16 to under 17 next year to retain numbers in junior grades. Morgan Football Club indicated that it intends to field both a under 13s and senior team next year.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby Mr Magoo » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:40 pm

Hope all goes well next year.

Would be worthwhile looking at 15 or 16 a side plus interchange.
Good for young fit sides but not so good on the older players
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby sparky » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:50 pm

We are already playing 19 men, 16 on field 3 off. Makes for a nice open game. It just depends on which positions you want to drop.
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Re: Sundays Meeting at Karoonda

Postby KS41 » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:01 pm

Good to see there is support in the league. I would think there would be a few clubs around that would have to consider a move!
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