SA Footy

I wonder if a change to the points allocation would make life easier and give greater incentive for clubs to retain players.

What would be the outcome for clubs if the -1 point was taken away from U17 kids, but was applied to players who have played 100+ A Grade games for your club?

Most associations are 16 games per season, so it would be just over 6 full seasons without missing a game to become eligible. If you are lucky enough to play finals, you may get it just before the end of your 6th season.

Still capped at say 3 players.

I want to make it clear I'm all for junior development, and clubs should be trying to get the most out of their kids, but I wonder if its having a negative effect sometimes, the kid goes up to play A's. hardly gets on, doesn't enjoy, doesn't want to do it again (which is becoming common from what I'm hearing around the traps). The other thing is sometimes good local seniors may miss out on a game in the A's because of the clubs need to play a kid or two...

Rather than try and get around the system 'using' kids, why not reward clubs who manage to keep players at their club???

RooShootOhh wrote:I wonder if a change to the points allocation would make life easier and give greater incentive for clubs to retain players.

What would be the outcome for clubs if the -1 point was taken away from U17 kids, but was applied to players who have played 100+ A Grade games for your club?

Most associations are 16 games per season, so it would be just over 6 full seasons without missing a game to become eligible. If you are lucky enough to play finals, you may get it just before the end of your 6th season.

Still capped at say 3 players.

I want to make it clear I'm all for junior development, and clubs should be trying to get the most out of their kids, but I wonder if its having a negative effect sometimes, the kid goes up to play A's. hardly gets on, doesn't enjoy, doesn't want to do it again (which is becoming common from what I'm hearing around the traps). The other thing is sometimes good local seniors may miss out on a game in the A's because of the clubs need to play a kid or two...

Rather than try and get around the system 'using' kids, why not reward clubs who manage to keep players at their club???

I have heard this suggested by others as well and it is a valid point.

However, should the discussion be more about abolishing the points system now the cap is in place?

Look Good In Leather wrote:I have heard this suggested by others as well and it is a valid point.

However, should the discussion be more about abolishing the points system now the cap is in place?

I agree it should be scrapped, but while the governing body oversee both Country and Ammo footy it probably wont happen.
The problem is both use it for different reasons.

Ammos use it to cap recruited players, but given EVERY team gets 15 points, its not used to even the divisions (thats what promotion & relegation is used for)
Country use it to even the comp...

If there not going to scrap it, why not give every country team 15 points and be done with it.

RooShootOhh wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote:I have heard this suggested by others as well and it is a valid point.

However, should the discussion be more about abolishing the points system now the cap is in place?

I agree it should be scrapped, but while the governing body oversee both Country and Ammo footy it probably wont happen.
The problem is both use it for different reasons.

Ammos use it to cap recruited players, but given EVERY team gets 15 points, its not used to even the divisions (thats what promotion & relegation is used for)
Country use it to even the comp...

If there not going to scrap it, why not give every country team 15 points and be done with it.

I think it's up to the individual leagues to change how their own points are distributed.

For anyone interested in the Victorian PPS which is getting implemented in 2016, here is a snapshot. Each club gets 50 points to start with, although there is some discretion to allow more.



http://www.aflvic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/AFL-Victoria-Player-Points-System-Policy.pdf

Mr Beefy wrote:For anyone interested in the Victorian PPS which is getting implemented in 2016, here is a snapshot. Each club gets 50 points to start with, although there is some discretion to allow more.

VicPPS.JPG

http://www.aflvic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/AFL-Victoria-Player-Points-System-Policy.pdf

Faaaark. Will make team selections a nightmare for any senior coach.

cracka wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote:For anyone interested in the Victorian PPS which is getting implemented in 2016, here is a snapshot. Each club gets 50 points to start with, although there is some discretion to allow more.

VicPPS.JPG

http://www.aflvic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/AFL-Victoria-Player-Points-System-Policy.pdf

Faaaark. Will make team selections a nightmare for any senior coach.

Not sure it would be any harder than team selections here. All your local/long term players are worth 1 instead of 0

What a balls up. Very detailed. I have a headache from reading it, god help the poor volunteers at clubs who have to sort this out.

Have to say south aus points system and salary cap is much easier and clearer to understand.

If a player has played 40 or more senior games at a club but no juniors are they still a category 1 player or potentially category 3? Poorly worded if so as it appears to me only 17 and under games count and junior aligned club is referenced...could be wrong. Anyone else comprehend this rubbish??

How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?

Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?

You mean the "Channel 9 Adelaide Football League"?

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?

You mean the "Channel 9 Adelaide Football League"?

That wear the state jumper for their association games as the "State Amateur Team"

Look Good In Leather wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

Is the South Australian Amateur Football League the only amateur football league in Australia that pay players?

You mean the "Channel 9 Adelaide Football League"?

That wear the state jumper for their association games as the "State Amateur Team"

Different competition played under different rules & regs.
Not our problem if the AAFC are OK with it

Points can be policed by anyone and infringements can be quickly and easily noted and penalised.

Salary caps are easily circumvented which defeats the purpose (e.g. skimming of gate takings to pay cash in hand, third party payments, raffles being diverted to players without going through the books, keeping two sets of books - one for auditing and the other being the real books, etc.).

I have been in sports admin at a statewide level and know that you cannot catch people unless they are stupid as the above methods are sure fire ways to get away with it ... unless you are the Melbourne Storm LOL

Benchwarmer wrote:Points can be policed by anyone and infringements can be quickly and easily noted and penalised.

Salary caps are easily circumvented which defeats the purpose (e.g. skimming of gate takings to pay cash in hand, third party payments, raffles being diverted to players without going through the books, keeping two sets of books - one for auditing and the other being the real books, etc.).

I have been in sports admin at a statewide level and know that you cannot catch people unless they are stupid as the above methods are sure fire ways to get away with it ... unless you are the Melbourne Storm LOL

Spot on. Thats exactly why the rule is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. The very nature of coaches, players, football clubs and supporters is to try and win games of football and premierships. After a year of playing by the rules and seeing the other clubs not playing by the rules and having success, then human nature will kick in and payments will happen via all the methods you just described and then some. Why administrators have to try and justify their position by bringing in rules that will never work always astounds me. Administrators are about as useful as the ashtray on the said motorbike when they try to justify their positions with ridiculous rules. People just trying to look important when they finish playing while some never did which is even more astounding.

oyster wrote:

Benchwarmer wrote:Points can be policed by anyone and infringements can be quickly and easily noted and penalised.

Salary caps are easily circumvented which defeats the purpose (e.g. skimming of gate takings to pay cash in hand, third party payments, raffles being diverted to players without going through the books, keeping two sets of books - one for auditing and the other being the real books, etc.).

I have been in sports admin at a statewide level and know that you cannot catch people unless they are stupid as the above methods are sure fire ways to get away with it ... unless you are the Melbourne Storm LOL

Spot on. Thats exactly why the rule is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. The very nature of coaches, players, football clubs and supporters is to try and win games of football and premierships. After a year of playing by the rules and seeing the other clubs not playing by the rules and having success, then human nature will kick in and payments will happen via all the methods you just described and then some. Why administrators have to try and justify their position by bringing in rules that will never work always astounds me. Administrators are about as useful as the ashtray on the said motorbike when they try to justify their positions with ridiculous rules. People just trying to look important when they finish playing while some never did which is even more astounding.

Totally agree with both post's... That's why I originally said the Points System is only driving up the players prices hence why the points system needs to go.
Lets see how many 2016 Premiership clubs follow the Salary Cap.

One league in country WA has the points and the player points are printed in brackets beside the player's name in the league's Football Budget. No instances of clubs playing sides over the maximum points. Despite no other leagues using PPS in the region, clubs don't seem to be overspending and the points results in more thoughtful recruiting.

Benchwarmer wrote:One league in country WA has the points and the player points are printed in brackets beside the player's name in the league's Football Budget. No instances of clubs playing sides over the maximum points. Despite no other leagues using PPS in the region, clubs don't seem to be overspending and the points results in more thoughtful recruiting.

Only a handful of clubs across South Australia would be overspending. The FF League are trying to save leagues/clubs from themselves. The easiest solution would be to get rid of the SANFL reserves. It's now a very, very average competition. That would solve the problems in SA. The SANFL could play the league, U18 and U16's at the one venue, starting early morning and in turn would be saving money on opening two venues. They would also save wages for players on an average reserves competition. The strong country leagues in the state - the Great Southern, Barossa, Hills D1 and the KNT would get many players going there, while the rest of the players would filter through to the SAAFL D1, which has been sharply declining in standard over the last few years, as the top 5 or 6 country leagues have got stronger. Win-Win for everyone. The SANFL clubs which many are claiming poverty, would all be saving huge amount of money each year without the reserves competition. The SANFL clubs could then take from the the 4 top country leagues (Great Southern, Barossa, Hills D1 and KNT) and the SAAFL D1, to top up their league sides. Each SANFL side would have 30 on their list and those not getting a game would be filtered out to the leagues/club that are aligned to them. They would also draw on those leagues/clubs if excessive injuries more than 30. Simple solution and everyone wins

The boys from the community footy league are all out in force tonight trying in a last ditch effort to convert those 4 or 5 country leagues who who wont play ball with their new salary cap rules. Got to give them 10/10 for persistence but I get the feeling not much will change.

Any clubs having trouble recruiting players under this new salary cap,
Looks to me the brown paper bag business is going to boom this year.
How much does the zone registra get paid?
He's going to need a lot of petrol tickets chasing brown paper bags flying out car windows

running defender wrote:Any clubs having trouble recruiting players under this new salary cap,
Looks to me the brown paper bag business is going to boom this year.
How much does the zone registra get paid?
He's going to need a lot of petrol tickets chasing brown paper bags flying out car windows

Yes I agree the brown paper bags will be out in force as a way of beating the salary cap across country areas.
I think that free trade should be the only way to go.
BUT
The question I ask is why did your club and your league vote for the salary cap rules if you seem intent on breaking the rules that you voted for?
That makes no sense. I am assuming your are from Echunga from your profile, yet the Hills league have apparently voted yes.
You should have joined the other 4 or 5 leagues from around the state who had the balls to say NO.
I'm confused if people are going to complain about the salary cap or try and find ways to beat the salary cap, yet their clubs and leagues have had the chance to "grow a pair" and vote NO, but didn't. Doesn't add up.