HFL Division 2 (Country)

[Champ]

I was just emailed that Callington were missing 4 of their better players and I should give them a go...

Sorry if I upset anyone but in all sincerity these blokes would need to be worth 15 goals each...?

What sense is there in shaping up for a possible win twice a season...?

HFL please help for SA Country Footy's sake!

[The Sorce]

Looks like Callington/United Eagles suprised everyone and actually put two teams on the park, and looks like over 19 players in both teams (however looks like some double ups) Anyone at the Game? Was it a great way to get the 2012 Season off to a flying start????? Bet there would have been some record Gate takings........

[McGovern]

What's the League's position on Callington? I don't get The Courier up here.

[Alaska]

Looks like Callington/United Eagles suprised everyone and actually put two teams on the park, and looks like over 19 players in both teams (however looks like some double ups) Anyone at the Game? Was it a great way to get the 2012 Season off to a flying start????? Bet there would have been some record Gate takings........

The Treasurer on the gate was concerned when we arrived that there had been enough from the Eagles pass through to field a Team.
I was one of 4 cars on the Eastern side for the B’s well worth the $14. Until I realised I had something better to do at ¾ time. The more worrying side for Country is the lack of Junior teams and the draw dragging the kids to different grounds to the Seniors.
Well I will not be off to Sedan this week.

[The Gimp]

What's the League's position on Callington? I don't get The Courier up here.

Head in sand, hoping it goes away.

[the big fella]

The word is that the HFL is DEFINATELY heading for a 3 tier comp in 2013..and god help those clubs that cannot field 3 junior teams.

I dont know here this leaves Maccy,gums and cally!!!

[dee man]

dont know much about callington except what i read but i would love to know where they get the money from to pay the players
a rough est is around $5000 a week,and thats a rough est based on the guys we had training with us that got up and left for the money they told us
have they done this before and did they actually pay
if thats the case would love to know what a coach gets

[Mr Beefy]

Looking on sportingpulse, it says their best player was former saafl U18 medalist Gordie Wanganeen, Gordie is now 47years old....

[old fullback]

dont know much about callington except what i read but i would love to know where they get the money from to pay the players
a rough est is around $5000 a week,and thats a rough est based on the guys we had training with us that got up and left for the money they told us
have they done this before and did they actually pay
if thats the case would love to know what a coach gets

Kanmantoo mines might be putting some money in, but really its a waste of money.

[MLWALKER]

Champ wrote:
Maybe the committee needs to do right by the playing group and ask them what they want to do as I think the opportunity to win a C'Grade Premiership would be high on most of their agenda's.

The Committee HAVE done exactly that. We put it to the players, but it was them that insisted on staying where we are, and said they didnt want to play C Grade. The other issue is our Juniors. While yes, at the moment we only have one team, most of these boys have played together as a single team since they were 7 years old, and there is some real talent there. If we had moved to C Grade comp, we lose our Juniors, which means we lose their parents who make up the biggest part of our club volunteers. So basically, if we did move, there would be no club left to move.

dee man wrote:
dont know much about callington except what i read but i would love to know where they get the money from to pay the players
a rough est is around $5000 a week,and thats a rough est based on the guys we had training with us that got up and left for the money they told us
have they done this before and did they actually pay
if thats the case would love to know what a coach gets

Not sure where this info is coming from, but it is definitely not correct! We would LOVE to have $5k to spend each week, we certainly would be in a much better position if we did! That is one of the biggest problems we have, we simply arent in the financial position to keep up. What we pay out in total, is what other Country clubs pay for only 2 people.

The Sorce wrote:
Looks like Callington/United Eagles suprised everyone and actually put two teams on the park, and looks like over 19 players in both teams (however looks like some double ups) Anyone at the Game? Was it a great way to get the 2012 Season off to a flying start????? Bet there would have been some record Gate takings........

Yes we did have to double up with 8 B Grade players, which really hurt us. We had 6 A Graders out for R1 who were away on their Cricket Trip, and another 3 that had another prior commitment. I believe they are all (or most) back this week. We also had another heap of new faces out tonight, with hopefully a few more on Thursday, so hopefully looking a little more positive. One being a 70 goal RMFL U17/A Grader last year.

[BoundaryRider84]

The Sorce wrote:
Looks like Callington/United Eagles suprised everyone and actually put two teams on the park, and looks like over 19 players in both teams (however looks like some double ups) Anyone at the Game? Was it a great way to get the 2012 Season off to a flying start????? Bet there would have been some record Gate takings........

Yes we did have to double up with 8 B Grade players, which really hurt us. We had 6 A Graders out for R1 who were away on their Cricket Trip, and another 3 that had another prior commitment. I believe they are all (or most) back this week. We also had another heap of new faces out tonight, with hopefully a few more on Thursday, so hopefully looking a little more positive. One being a 70 goal RMFL U17/A Grader last year.[/quote]

Scotty hefron????

[The Gimp]

ML Walker, I disagree with Champ. The question shouldn't need to go to the players group because obviously over the last few years they have shown that they don't care about 50gl floggings and are more than happy to keep going along with it thinking it's keeping their club alive.
The committee needs to stand up and make the decision (to play C grade) for the betterment of the club and the league. There is no way the 6-8 "A graders" that were out of your side are going to make up that difference, they probably won't even make up 15gl difference, and that's talking as you will have your whole A grade team on the park every week. Realistically, you will have 2-4 A graders out each week and we all know that you can't cover these outs.

In regards to your junior colts, there's no reason why they can't continue to play in one of the slots left by another of the country clubs that don't have JC's. Your club could then get around these guys and try and bring them through. But, do you have more juniors coming through after that? Do you have any modified teams or Auskick that may be the future of the club?

Unfortunately, your financial troubles stem from how the committee ran the club 5-6 years ago. You had a lot of mercinaries that wouldn't train and just rocked up on the saturday (when they felt like it) to collect the match payments and run around for a bit. This was the beginning of the end for Callington and I don't think a town that small will ever be able to recover and actually be competitive against some of the bigger country division clubs.
That is why I think the HFL needs to go to a three div system because they need to cater for the smaller country clubs that from now on will always find it difficult to be competitive against the top sides. I know clubs go through peaks and troughs but that is why the setup needs to be flexible and allow for clubs to promote and relegate depending on where their club is at the time.
The third div needs to be able to cater for the smaller clubs and the bigger clubs that have a 3rd senior side. This will allow all of these clubs to play some competitive footy and get back to enjoying their saturdays and seeing some success.

[bar20]

Kangarilla will be eyeing off that 3rd division. Might as well call them the 'Wakefield Football Club' for the moment.

I see Gumeracha's lack of discipline hasn't changed. 3 send offs in the last quater on Saturday and they still won.

[Champ]

ML Walker, I disagree with Champ. The question shouldn't need to go to the players group because obviously over the last few years they have shown that they don't care about 50gl floggings and are more than happy to keep going along with it thinking it's keeping their club alive.
The committee needs to stand up and make the decision (to play C grade) for the betterment of the club and the league. There is no way the 6-8 "A graders" that were out of your side are going to make up that difference, they probably won't even make up 15gl difference, and that's talking as you will have your whole A grade team on the park every week. Realistically, you will have 2-4 A graders out each week and we all know that you can't cover these outs.

In regards to your junior colts, there's no reason why they can't continue to play in one of the slots left by another of the country clubs that don't have JC's. Your club could then get around these guys and try and bring them through. But, do you have more juniors coming through after that? Do you have any modified teams or Auskick that may be the future of the club?

Unfortunately, your financial troubles stem from how the committee ran the club 5-6 years ago. You had a lot of mercinaries that wouldn't train and just rocked up on the saturday (when they felt like it) to collect the match payments and run around for a bit. This was the beginning of the end for Callington and I don't think a town that small will ever be able to recover and actually be competitive against some of the bigger country division clubs.
That is why I think the HFL needs to go to a three div system because they need to cater for the smaller country clubs that from now on will always find it difficult to be competitive against the top sides. I know clubs go through peaks and troughs but that is why the setup needs to be flexible and allow for clubs to promote and relegate depending on where their club is at the time.
The third div needs to be able to cater for the smaller clubs and the bigger clubs that have a 3rd senior side. This will allow all of these clubs to play some competitive footy and get back to enjoying their saturdays and seeing some success.

Gimp brilliant post mate and plenty of facts, I'm for one happy to be corrected. A little earlier on this thread we talked about a 3 tier comp, something I think the HFL must push to and fast but it also must be a direct promotion/relegation system.
Only question is what happens to the teams who win div two or three and there is already a team from their club above them? Do they just stay put and would this make them happy...?

[Gervais]

Gimp brilliant post mate and plenty of facts, I'm for one happy to be corrected. A little earlier on this thread we talked about a 3 tier comp, something I think the HFL must push to and fast but it also must be a direct promotion/relegation system.
Only question is what happens to the teams who win div two or three and there is already a team from their club above them? Do they just stay put and would this make them happy...?

my understanding is that you can only be in div 1 or div 2 if you field all senior and junior teams, and that promotion/relegation is only likely to happen between these two divisions.

the div 3 comp would essentially be a c-grade comp. for example, if blackwood won the div 3 premiership they cannot be promoted.

[The Gimp]

Gimp brilliant post mate and plenty of facts, I'm for one happy to be corrected. A little earlier on this thread we talked about a 3 tier comp, something I think the HFL must push to and fast but it also must be a direct promotion/relegation system.
Only question is what happens to the teams who win div two or three and there is already a team from their club above them? Do they just stay put and would this make them happy...?

my understanding is that you can only be in div 1 or div 2 if you field all senior and junior teams, and that promotion/relegation is only likely to happen between these two divisions.

the div 3 comp would essentially be a c-grade comp. for example, if blackwood won the div 3 premiership they cannot be promoted.

Yeah, I agree to a point. If someone like a Maccy, S/C, Cally or Milang were to really build their club up strong again and have SC and JC, I would certainly be looking at them joining the div 2.
Div 3 would esentially be C grade teams from the bigger div 1 clubs and their numbers would change from year to year so some years they may/may not have a 3rd team.
I just think there needs to be a div 3 to be able to keep the smaller clubs in the league and have an avenue to be able to play competitive footy each week. I would also like to see a junior colts (or other colts) program follow the 3rd div so that if these clubs have a team of juniors that would like to play, then they can follow their club.

[Champ]

Gimp brilliant post mate and plenty of facts, I'm for one happy to be corrected. A little earlier on this thread we talked about a 3 tier comp, something I think the HFL must push to and fast but it also must be a direct promotion/relegation system.
Only question is what happens to the teams who win div two or three and there is already a team from their club above them? Do they just stay put and would this make them happy...?

my understanding is that you can only be in div 1 or div 2 if you field all senior and junior teams, and that promotion/relegation is only likely to happen between these two divisions.

the div 3 comp would essentially be a c-grade comp. for example, if blackwood won the div 3 premiership they cannot be promoted.

Yeah, I agree to a point. If someone like a Maccy, S/C, Cally or Milang were to really build their club up strong again and have SC and JC, I would certainly be looking at them joining the div 2.
Div 3 would esentially be C grade teams from the bigger div 1 clubs and their numbers would change from year to year so some years they may/may not have a 3rd team.
I just think there needs to be a div 3 to be able to keep the smaller clubs in the league and have an avenue to be able to play competitive footy each week. I would also like to see a junior colts (or other colts) program follow the 3rd div so that if these clubs have a team of juniors that would like to play, then they can follow their club.

That would be very difficult because of the mix of clubs with juniors. The other problem is deciding on who gets into division two and who gets into division 3. For example you could say that only teams with junior/senior colts can start in div two which places sedan within reach who now have senior colts. By this ruling Gums will be in div 3...? To go the other way and base it on performance would raise the argument of how long teams without colts can be successful for without any feeders which in turns means we are back at square one when these clubs eventually run out of money or have a mass exodus?

[Gervais]

That would be very difficult because of the mix of clubs with juniors. The other problem is deciding on who gets into division two and who gets into division 3. For example you could say that only teams with junior/senior colts can start in div two which places sedan within reach who now have senior colts. By this ruling Gums will be in div 3...? To go the other way and base it on performance would raise the argument of how long teams without colts can be successful for without any feeders which in turns means we are back at square one when these clubs eventually run out of money or have a mass exodus?

the hfl proposal will see the following teams in div 2:
• 2 x teams from current central division
• birdwood
• echunga
• meadows
• kanagarilla
• kersbrook (who will need to find a U13 team)
• nairne

all other clubs (gums, maccy, seadan, cally) will be in div 3. to be eligible to go to div 2, they'll need to be able to commit to five teams on match-day.

[AKA]

That would be very difficult because of the mix of clubs with juniors. The other problem is deciding on who gets into division two and who gets into division 3. For example you could say that only teams with junior/senior colts can start in div two which places sedan within reach who now have senior colts. By this ruling Gums will be in div 3...? To go the other way and base it on performance would raise the argument of how long teams without colts can be successful for without any feeders which in turns means we are back at square one when these clubs eventually run out of money or have a mass exodus?

the hfl proposal will see the following teams in div 2:
• 2 x teams from current central division
• birdwood
• echunga
• meadows
• kanagarilla
• kersbrook (who will need to find a U13 team)
• nairne
that sounds reasonabe i ask the question as a outsider, first year at gums why do strong junior teams in the hills country poach junior players from hills country sides who struggle. we had a senoir colts team that got plundered by a nearby team who has 38 senoir colts players, hardly seems reasonable. the senior colt players are getting petrol money too!

all other clubs (gums, maccy, seadan, cally) will be in div 3. to be eligible to go to div 2, they'll need to be able to commit to five teams on match-day.

[Champ]

Who is the local team pilfering gums juniors...?