HFL Division 2 (Country)

[Champ]

obviously echunga need the 5 extra points the league have given them i guess they got those because they only finished 2nd last year

They are not the club with extra points in the league either, why have a points system if half the clubs are over the points

Are you pair sooking ENOUGH or what?

Need I remind you that the points system is in place to save clubs and competitions in regards to retention of players and to overcome rich club/poor club syndrome.

Every thread on here that whinges about points allocations seems to be from poorly performing clubs.

In my most humble opinion the points system should not be used to bring clubs down while rewarding the poor performers. There are a number of clubs who need to place their eyes on emulating successful clubs as opposed to the 'poor me' please make them weaker scenario.

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell

[Footy Warrior]

obviously echunga need the 5 extra points the league have given them i guess they got those because they only finished 2nd last year

They are not the club with extra points in the league either, why have a points system if half the clubs are over the points

Are you pair sooking ENOUGH or what?

Need I remind you that the points system is in place to save clubs and competitions in regards to retention of players and to overcome rich club/poor club syndrome.

Every thread on here that whinges about points allocations seems to be from poorly performing clubs.

In my most humble opinion the points system should not be used to bring clubs down while rewarding the poor performers. There are a number of clubs who need to place their eyes on emulating successful clubs as opposed to the 'poor me' please make them weaker scenario.

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling!

[Champ]

Need I remind you that the points system is in place to save clubs and competitions in regards to retention of players and to overcome rich club/poor club syndrome.

Every thread on here that whinges about points allocations seems to be from poorly performing clubs.

In my most humble opinion the points system should not be used to bring clubs down while rewarding the poor performers. There are a number of clubs who need to place their eyes on emulating successful clubs as opposed to the 'poor me' please make them weaker scenario.

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell[/quote]

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling![/quote]

There seems to be a blockage in the fluid in your brain matter. Firstly I'm glad that Kersrook are so confident that they have this years GF stitched up however please explain in greater detail your reasoning behind wanting to lower the overall standard of a competition by simply rewarding poor performers rather than evenly ensuring that all clubs have the ability to maintain themselves? Is there anyone from echunga that can even confirm half this stuff on here?

[Pinarello]

Need I remind you that the points system is in place to save clubs and competitions in regards to retention of players and to overcome rich club/poor club syndrome.

Every thread on here that whinges about points allocations seems to be from poorly performing clubs.

In my most humble opinion the points system should not be used to bring clubs down while rewarding the poor performers. There are a number of clubs who need to place their eyes on emulating successful clubs as opposed to the 'poor me' please make them weaker scenario.

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling![/quote]

There seems to be a blockage in the fluid in your brain matter. Firstly I'm glad that Kersrook are so confident that they have this years GF stitched up however please explain in greater detail your reasoning behind wanting to lower the overall standard of a competition by simply rewarding poor performers rather than evenly ensuring that all clubs have the ability to maintain themselves? Is there anyone from echunga that can even confirm half this stuff on here?[/quote]

I can't vouch for the points system, how it works, & who has what allocation. I am not that close to it to have an understanding - so I won't put an opinion on that.

Yes I think the 17-18 players "lost" from last season is accurate. Yes only minimal S/Colts have come through this season to seniors - 3 lads to be precise. Yes the B's have had a few current S/Colts in the B's both games to date, however only 1 lad last week. Yes the Echunga B's got belted in round 1 vs Kersbrook. A bit better last week going down by 40 odd points after being 6 goals down at 1/4 time to Meadows. Improvement in the last 3 quarters last week. A large number of new players to the club who are essentially all in B Grade at the moment. It will take some time for these guys to become familiar with each other & also the new B Grade coach.

This is an accurate description of the current situation. By all means continue the discussion/argument.... though I suspect its all in vain. The HFL make a few odd decisions.... this is not the first, nor will it be the last.

[Amateur Footy]

I have given the points system plenty of thought since it's inception and am yet to appreciate any significant benefits of it for country footy leagues. The main benefit of the system is for the SANFL as it makes it more difficult for amateur clubs to recruit higher level players. It is now more assisting to the higher level SAAFL clubs too.

It can never fix the rich/poor club issues given the richer clubs are generally successful and don't have a high turnover of players. A rich club will pay more to keep it's players so that it doesn't face any points issues (it's very easy to maintain your list and stay under points when you can pay healthy wages to many players). Poorer clubs who are less successful will have their work cut out to retain players and slowly recruit to improve performances which in turn will improve player stability - yes it can be done but much harder coming from the bottom when you can't recruit heavily to be succesful immediately.

It does prevent a club from going on a recruiting spree to buy a premiership which is a good thing.

I am very disappointed that the HFL has given extra points to clubs in recent seasons (my club included) as I don't think there were any extreme circumstances. The rules must be consistent.

With any luck the system will be scrapped in a few years as a waste of time, however with the SANFL pulling the strings this isn't likely to happen. The salary cap from 10-12 years ago was the only useful system but impossible to enforce.

[Footy Warrior]

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell[/quote]

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling![/quote]

There seems to be a blockage in the fluid in your brain matter. Firstly I'm glad that Kersrook are so confident that they have this years GF stitched up however please explain in greater detail your reasoning behind wanting to lower the overall standard of a competition by simply rewarding poor performers rather than evenly ensuring that all clubs have the ability to maintain themselves? Is there anyone from echunga that can even confirm half this stuff on here?[/quote]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox

[CROWCUTTER]

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling![/quote]

There seems to be a blockage in the fluid in your brain matter. Firstly I'm glad that Kersrook are so confident that they have this years GF stitched up however please explain in greater detail your reasoning behind wanting to lower the overall standard of a competition by simply rewarding poor performers rather than evenly ensuring that all clubs have the ability to maintain themselves? Is there anyone from echunga that can even confirm half this stuff on here?[/quote]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox [/quote]

[doubletrouble]

Geez looks like round 3 is shaping up to have a couple of nail biters................. Said no one ever!

[The Sorce]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox [/quote]

So to get the facts correct as I'm not too sure?
* Echunga Asked for 5 Extra Points? (and every other club in the League also has this opporutnity to do so but were slack and unorganised and therefore missed the boat and are now crying poor as a couple of VERY early results have not gone their way? )
* At Best with this extra 5 points Echunga were able to recruit 2 extra A Grade players!!!! (Which some people are implying has resulted in a 15 goal turn around since Last Grand Final - Must be 2 Extremely Quality A Graders)

[CROWCUTTER]

clubs have asked for 5 extra points but have been denied
so why echunga got the points who knows
typical of hfl can see why some people get upset
echunga very precious for some reason every club loses multiple players every year at least a dozen or so is the norm so the crap about all your players from last year leaving is crap most were b graders anyway

[Pinarello]

clubs have asked for 5 extra points but have been denied
so why echunga got the points who knows
typical of hfl can see why some people get upset
echunga very precious for some reason every club loses multiple players every year at least a dozen or so is the norm so the crap about all your players from last year leaving is crap most were b graders anyway

Crow cutter I guess you are referring in part to my earlier post where I clarified the current situation at Echunga at least from my point of view. It was intended to help and not inflame the situation. I can't help if you choose to get offended and resort to cheap shots and name calling. It is what it is.... Deal with. I don't understand the HFL either. If the echunga footy club is as bad as you portray it, and one of the new players you've got nothing to worry about.

[Champ]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox [/quote]

If Im delusional youre simply a nitwit proven by your pathetic point of view; thank christ for forums like this because clearly no-one in their right mind would listen to your dribble in person. One minute they've recruited too strongly only to have a shot at one of their recruits for whatever reason?

[Champ]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox

So to get the facts correct as I'm not too sure?
* Echunga Asked for 5 Extra Points? (and every other club in the League also has this opporutnity to do so but were slack and unorganised and therefore missed the boat and are now crying poor as a couple of VERY early results have not gone their way? )
* At Best with this extra 5 points Echunga were able to recruit 2 extra A Grade players!!!! (Which some people are implying has resulted in a 15 goal turn around since Last Grand Final - Must be 2 Extremely Quality A Graders)[/quote]

Finally something that makes sense.

For the record YEP to hell with clubs who are not organised. What good would the league be if weaker clubs did not improve while the stronger ones simply went backwards?! Then you blokes would be arguing about the state of the competition and blah blah blah.

End of the day here's an idea, give everyone 15 points like the SAAFL and impose a salary cap as well. Then we can all whinge about money too! The thing that really makes me laugh though is the energy placed into complaining and trying to drag success down insteado emulating it for your own benefit!This in mind I still remember that Echunga re not hte reigning pmreiers.....

[On The Chest]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox

So to get the facts correct as I'm not too sure?
* Echunga Asked for 5 Extra Points? (and every other club in the League also has this opporutnity to do so but were slack and unorganised and therefore missed the boat and are now crying poor as a couple of VERY early results have not gone their way? )
* At Best with this extra 5 points Echunga were able to recruit 2 extra A Grade players!!!! (Which some people are implying has resulted in a 15 goal turn around since Last Grand Final - Must be 2 Extremely Quality A Graders)

Finally something that makes sense.

For the record YEP to hell with clubs who are not organised. What good would the league be if weaker clubs did not improve while the stronger ones simply went backwards?! Then you blokes would be arguing about the state of the competition and blah blah blah.

End of the day here's an idea, give everyone 15 points like the SAAFL and impose a salary cap as well. Then we can all whinge about money too! The thing that really makes me laugh though is the energy placed into complaining and trying to drag success down insteado emulating it for your own benefit!This in mind I still remember that Echunga re not hte reigning pmreiers.....[/quote]

Salary cap is a waste of time. Too many hidden deals.
If the league gave Callington 25 bonus points last year, would that have helped them. I doubt it because they would not have been able to afford to pay that many recruits.
Just put the energy towards training and games and then the results may improve.

[On The Pine]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox

So to get the facts correct as I'm not too sure?
* Echunga Asked for 5 Extra Points? (and every other club in the League also has this opporutnity to do so but were slack and unorganised and therefore missed the boat and are now crying poor as a couple of VERY early results have not gone their way? )
* At Best with this extra 5 points Echunga were able to recruit 2 extra A Grade players!!!! (Which some people are implying has resulted in a 15 goal turn around since Last Grand Final - Must be 2 Extremely Quality A Graders)

Finally something that makes sense.

For the record YEP to hell with clubs who are not organised. What good would the league be if weaker clubs did not improve while the stronger ones simply went backwards?! Then you blokes would be arguing about the state of the competition and blah blah blah.

End of the day here's an idea, give everyone 15 points like the SAAFL and impose a salary cap as well. Then we can all whinge about money too! The thing that really makes me laugh though is the energy placed into complaining and trying to drag success down insteado emulating it for your own benefit!This in mind I still remember that Echunga re not hte reigning pmreiers.....

Salary cap is a waste of time. Too many hidden deals.
If the league gave Callington 25 bonus points last year, would that have helped them. I doubt it because they would not have been able to afford to pay that many recruits.
Just put the energy towards training and games and then the results may improve.[/quote]

Pretty sure the idea of the points system is to encourage clubs to develop juniors and to retain imports for more than a year. If a club has exceptional circumstances then they need to present their case for extra points. Whether Echunga's situation is exceptional or not, that is up to the league to decide. Why though did so many players leave?

[moses]

Do Echunga have a member on the HFL board?

[Champ]

Do Echunga have a member on the HFL board?

Ooooh good question.. they might be paying off the league president, after all the eventual premiers do get soooooo much money and publicity out of premierships...

[Pinarello]

Do Echunga have a member on the HFL board?

Ooooh good question.. they might be paying off the league president, after all the eventual premiers do get soooooo much money and publicity out of premierships...

Ah yes nothing like a conspiracy theory or two.... to make matters worse I think I spotted the league president at Echunga last week.....

[secondstring]

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling![/quote]

There seems to be a blockage in the fluid in your brain matter. Firstly I'm glad that Kersrook are so confident that they have this years GF stitched up however please explain in greater detail your reasoning behind wanting to lower the overall standard of a competition by simply rewarding poor performers rather than evenly ensuring that all clubs have the ability to maintain themselves? Is there anyone from echunga that can even confirm half this stuff on here?[/quote]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox [/quote]

Has Cox strung 2 games together with this club or has changed for the 4th time this footy season?

[Champ]

If reports are correct and Echunga have lost 17 players from their A and B grade plus had minimal under 17's come up and/or remain at the club then how are they to survive and place two teams on the park week in week out? I've also just noticed on the hfl site that their b'grade have taken two beltings in a row and have had a handful of current senior colts playing aswell

Who's sooking? "Wa Wa Wa we've lost all our players, we can't beat Kersbrook in a Grand Final, Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease give us more points". Pffft Pathetic! As mentioned what's the point of having a points system, when the HFL doesn't enforce it? Baffling!

There seems to be a blockage in the fluid in your brain matter. Firstly I'm glad that Kersrook are so confident that they have this years GF stitched up however please explain in greater detail your reasoning behind wanting to lower the overall standard of a competition by simply rewarding poor performers rather than evenly ensuring that all clubs have the ability to maintain themselves? Is there anyone from echunga that can even confirm half this stuff on here?[/quote]

You're delusional. Where did I say Kersbrook have the GF stitched up? Surely after the Round 1 pasting of Kersbrook, with extra points on board, Echunga are a monty for the flag. To all those poor performer clubs in the HFL, Champ says like Arnie did "To Hell with you", give Echunga more points so they can recruit quality people like Marc Cox [/quote]

Has Cox strung 2 games together with this club or has changed for the 4th time this footy season?[/quote]

Doing some recruiting?