SAAFL Division 7 & D7R (2012)

[BPwizard]

Very true Yank.

[Yank Man]

Enough Div 7 posters. Let's all move on or we will be the next thread to be shut down by FC. This weeks games present some
beauties. TTG(2nd) v North Pines(5th). Gullies would not want to drop too far behind the Lions and repay the spiders for their first round loss, and Nth Pines need to consolidate their position in the 5. Should be a fantastic game. Mitchell Pk play their "local derby" against Shoc and regardless of ladder positions it is always a game both teams get up for. Angle Vale are in a bit of a trough and meet an up and about Flinders Pk who can take their spot in the 5 with a win. Saturday will go a long way to determining the finals aspirants so good luck in your quests guys.

[Pacman]

Enough Div 7 posters. Let's all move on or we will be the next thread to be shut down by FC. This weeks games present some
beauties. TTG(2nd) v North Pines(5th). Gullies would not want to drop too far behind the Lions and repay the spiders for their first round loss, and Nth Pines need to consolidate their position in the 5. Should be a fantastic game. Mitchell Pk play their "local derby" against Shoc and regardless of ladder positions it is always a game both teams get up for. Angle Vale are in a bit of a trough and meet an up and about Flinders Pk who can take their spot in the 5 with a win. Saturday will go a long way to determining the finals aspirants so good luck in your quests guys.

Should be a fantastic finish to Div 7 this year with only Top Spot squared away!!! The rest of the four spots are up for grabs really - particularly the order of them!!

[Pacman]

Nice set of smoke and mirrors Bigshow82. Callington havn't won a game for 3 years and some by over 50 goals, your team sheet suggests one change from you belting of Angle Vale last week. You will be in the 5 tomorrow night with another nice percentage booster against a slowing Shoc. Make no mistake, you and Gullies are the "in" teams at the minute. We know you are both coming. What about Gullies having the luxury of resting big Chambo for their clash against Modbury, mind you they have a quality side without him with all the guns back and I would suggest Haynsy wants that goalkicking trophy at season end. Good luck tomorrow to all teams in what may be trying conditions and sorry Reds, but it would be good for the comp if Smithfield get a win for all the hard work they are putting in. Play hard but fair boys.

I'm going to encourage that they rest Chambo as much as possible Yank Man, because it will only take him a couple of weeks to overtake my goal tally.

Haha.... well said Bobby!! Should be a forward line that can share the goals across 4-5 for the rest of the year one thinks with the players still to come in!!!

Let's hope so. I didn't think there was anyone else from Gullies on here, but you must be if you call me Bobby.

I didn't realise a complaint was put in from our club. I just vented some of my frustration on this forum.

[morell]

The bench had no real issue with the said umpire and he did the best he could under difficult circumstances. If we had a problem then I would be the first to submit a formal complaint, trust me.

This comment surprises me given a few knowns that I wont share on the forum for your sake Yanky.

I get where you're coming from I think, your main and perhaps solitary concern is to deliver on field success. What I am saying is that perhaps this situation goes beyond that. As Mitchell Park are a member of the football community we have a duty of care to ensure a safe environment to the best of our ability and act as a responsible citizen of that said community. If that means occasionally voicing concerns and opinions to meet those objectives then so be it. In my opinion of course.

But I understand this is not relevant to Mitchell Parks aspirations for on field success in 2012.

Seriously I would not want to be their club umpire and with a good chat with him in the rooms after the game you get the feeling he is at his witsend.

Which is another reason why he needs to be removed from umpiring AV games. For everyone's sake. He gets to move on and further his umpiring career - which I think has a bright future. AV get increased probity. The opposition get a fair go - even perception wise. The SAAFL get to mitigate risk

Its a win-win-win-win and surely a no brainer.

Sorry Footy Chick but morrell is on his own with this one.

On the contrary. The PM's and replies I have had to the posts in this thread have been unprecedented in regards to their 100% support from other clubs. In fact the only person who hasnt agreed with me is the coach of the club I am part of! hahaha

[Footy Smart]

Fair call Morrell, i have and players have mentioned it puts brett in a terrible situation that he umpires b grade as club umpire and then umpires A grade as a SAAFL umpire. i and quite a few players have said same as you that he would be better umpiring higher grades. But i don t think his umpiring has resulted in a win for Angle Vale in anyway and i think if people looking in from a neutral supporter of both teams would say he can sometimes be harder on the Vale players.
But if your club or any other club who has a problem with Angle Vale situation, had it reversed that it was ur or there club with the umpiring situation, you would be the club taking all the crap over this i believe it is wrong aswell but, it is easier for other clubs and supportes to have a witch hunt online in a forum.

As for the game on saturday the first all in started from a high tackle on the MP player, who then retaliated ( which i would have done aswell) but the both players from each team come in and caused a bigger reaction and i was suprised only one player sent off with most likely 20 players involved. i seen another vale player throw a few punches and a few MP players aswell so was suprised only the one sent off. The other umpire on the day did not want to try and controll the game i think brett try to controll it and i have no problems with his calls. And as for our captain being sent of twice that will be dealt with by the leadership group as that is not tolerated at Angle Vale Football Club.

And as for the so called modbury game where modbury tryed to come out and rough up the smaller Vale players, which back fired and the score lined showed that. with the events about the player who was king hit which a king hit to me is like a sniper but when hit face to face is a fight. The tribunal took care of that matter and the player recieved 1 week as it was classed at the lower end of the scale, the so called abuse from the coach was directed at the umpire to get the game going again as the player leaving the field with the trainers with no blood or stretcher used the play can not be held up to by umpire. And the comment was lets get the game going not our fault he wanted to sleep on the oval. And with the modbury coach winging about the umpiring all game it does start to piss me off as Brett is not to blame for the situtation that everyone feels is wrong the club and league have put him in. Two many people wanna wing and i believe thats why a few things where said to the modbury coach thru the game.

I think everyone should stop whinging about brett as he is not on this forum to defend himself, and pretty low of people to complain and judge someone behind there back. If you have issues take it up with the league or contact the president of Angle Vale i am sure he is happy to listen to any complaints. I have seen worst umpires in this d7 comp and none talks about them with there name splatted over the pages.

We dont have a game without the umps and i don t think in d7 a couple of bad calls are gunna cost a game.

What is the common denominator in all this? Angle Vale

So stop trying to deflect the blame and fix the problems in your own backyard... By the sounds of it there is plenty to fix if you are condoning your players assaulting others?

No one is having a personal attack at the umpire, so stop your sooking on that point. By him umpiring AV he is no longer neutral and that is when the 50/50 decisions become criticised and tensions can boil over.

[morell]

Fair call Morrell, i have and players have mentioned it puts brett in a terrible situation that he umpires b grade as club umpire and then umpires A grade as a SAAFL umpire. i and quite a few players have said same as you that he would be better umpiring higher grades.

Thanks for replying BPwizard. I agree with this comment. Perhaps as part of a collaborative push to the SAAFL a segment be included supporting Brett as an umpire moving up the ranks.

But i don t think his umpiring has resulted in a win for Angle Vale in anyway and i think if people looking in from a neutral supporter of both teams would say he can sometimes be harder on the Vale players.

Agree. However that’s not the issue, it’s entirely related to human perception.

There is no doubt in my mind Brett umpiring on Saturday inadvertently contributed to the heated on field clashes. A few blokes on both sides need to pull their heads in and take responsibility as well.

But if your club or any other club who has a problem with Angle Vale situation, had it reversed that it was ur or there club with the umpiring situation, you would be the club taking all the crap over this i believe it is wrong aswell but, it is easier for other clubs and supportes to have a witch hunt online in a forum.

I hope you have been able to see that this type of thinking is exactly what I was trying to avoid. It’s not a witch hunt, it’s a corrective action to prevent further issues.

I think everyone should stop whinging about brett

I agree! Actions > Words. Which is what I am trying to encourage.

as he is not on this forum to defend himself, and pretty low of people to complain and judge someone behind there back.

I haven’t seen any judging, if anything there has been a large degree of support for Brett!

This isn’t about Brett or his umpiring, it’s about perception, which rightly or wrongly is leading to violence.

If you have issues take it up with the league or contact the president of Angle Vale i am sure he is happy to listen to any complaints. I have seen worst umpires in this d7 comp and none talks about them with there name splatted over the pages.

As have I. This isn’t about Brett or his umpiring, it’s about perception, which rightly or wrongly is leading to violence.

We dont have a game without the umps and i don t think in d7 a couple of bad calls are gunna cost a game.

I don’t think I or anyone have said otherwise. This isn’t a complaint about missed free kicks or umpiring incompetence. That is absolutely unfair on Brett and irrelevant.

We need to take our coaches, players and avid supporters hats off, look at this objectively as football people and realise what is occurring and if needed correct it.

If by any means Brett wants to speak to me then I would love to have a chat to him, if so PM me and I will flick you my mobile #.

But that is enough from me, I will leave it in the hands of the people in charge.

[BPwizard]

Well said morell. I agree with ur opinion, it has some gr8 points.

Footy Smart your name says it all discussion about umpire and you try to turn it around about Angle Vale and on field violence which ur club tried to rough up but now crying as you lost the game and the fight i say as any coach would say back up your team mates as simple as that. Ur the second poster from Modbury who has tried to bring up shit that happens on the field, shit that happens on the field should stay on the field old school way is the only way.

Enough said i agree with Yank Man should be talking about how 2nd to 5th is gunna shape up at the end of the year. Looks interesting over next few weeks.

[Lightning McQueen]

Well said morell. I agree with ur opinion, it has some gr8 points.

Footy Smart your name says it all discussion about umpire and you try to turn it around about Angle Vale and on field violence which ur club tried to rough up but now crying as you lost the game and the fight i say as any coach would say back up your team mates as simple as that. Ur the second poster from Modbury who has tried to bring up shit that happens on the field, shit that happens on the field should stay on the field old school way is the only way.

Enough said i agree with Yank Man should be talking about how 2nd to 5th is gunna shape up at the end of the year. Looks interesting over next few weeks.

I don't agree with this 100%, football's far more sanitised now and we're losing juniors to less physical sport, we need to stamp out the bullshit that goes on during the game. I see at least half a dozen games a weekend and a fair few junior matches and some clubs that are notorious for poor discipline develop bad habits early.
As for Brett, he'll make mistakes like every umpire does, yes it will be highlighted more when they go in Angle Vale's favour as he has ties with them, he is very approachable and the last thing you want to do regardless of who you play for is rip into him, you'll get nothing after that, a quiet word though will go a long way.
Brett and I used to wax the umpiring role & playing a few years back, I got p!ssed off with one of his decisions and let him know about it, I may aswell of sat on the bench for the remainder of the game.
He thinks he's doing the right thing, he calls it as he see's it and sometimes others don't see things the same way or with the same view, he can handle constructive criticism but create a scene and you'll end up more p!ssed off than him after the game.

[Footy Smart]

Well said morell. I agree with ur opinion, it has some gr8 points.

Footy Smart your name says it all discussion about umpire and you try to turn it around about Angle Vale and on field violence which ur club tried to rough up but now crying as you lost the game and the fight i say as any coach would say back up your team mates as simple as that. Ur the second poster from Modbury who has tried to bring up shit that happens on the field, shit that happens on the field should stay on the field old school way is the only way.

Enough said i agree with Yank Man should be talking about how 2nd to 5th is gunna shape up at the end of the year. Looks interesting over next few weeks.

great post

Firstly, I am unsure if fortheloveofthegame is an MFC poster and secondly you were the one who took a swipe at MFC in your non sensical rant. Its clear from your response that your club thinks ASSAULT is ok on the field as 'shit that happens on the field should stay on the field old school way is the only way' ......what a laughable comment.

As far as trying to rough up your team, also laughable. We have probably one of the youngest teams going around, they are our C grade, why would they try and 'rough' up your older A grade side? makes no sense once again and is clearly shifting the blame.

Back on umpiring, as that was the initial issue , after scrolling back about 10 or so pages it seems far more that MP and MFC have had issues with your umpire. It looks as though Flinders Park and TTG posters have voiced similar concerns around the page 70 mark - please note im not accusing the umpire of bias or blatant cheating, but as has been mentioned a conflict of interest exists and in the high emotional game we play one wrong decision can set a game off and his ability as an umpire/credability gets questioned rightly or wrongly.

[marbles]

Pretty hard round to tip the winners this week?

Every game could go either way

Can North Pines knock off gullies?

Id back flinders park to beat angle vale normally but the travel out to gawler could set the reds asleep?

Is this the week flinders uni will score their first win? They make great plays but if they just crunched the opposition and not let them prance around the crabs would be much more fearsome (its not touch footy boys)

The sharks at modbury hmmm? What page in the street directory?

And Shocs Id never write off especially in the southern derby, could their cream of recent years finally rise in 2012 to knock the lions off at sacred heights?

[BPwizard]

Totally agree with you Lightning. But was not condoning voilence said that if something happens team mates should have there back. That is how all teams would react.

What would be the percentages of onfield voilence these days to old days compared to the number of players and teams around now, i would say it would be low. Football is a contact sport and fustration is always going to play apart in the violent acts. But i would say it would be lower then the old days. Also ask most players and they still say what happens onfield should stay onfield.

I find it funny that older guys who played in the days where coathangers, kinghits where apart of footy know frown on it when it was there era. Footy is so much cleaner these days then it ever has and players still hit ball hard but with fairness, but when someone is fouled wrongly does not take much for players on thier team to fire up that is apart of a team sport.

True Footysmart a conflict of interest is their but he is more professionall umpire and i spoke to the club last nite and voiced concern over it for what i have read on here in the last 48 hours so lets c what happens. I think if it is to change and for the better of Angle Vale football Club the club needs to act with the league on this matter. I have said since round one to players it is a shit position for the club to be in and i always new it would reflect on the club in some way.

[BPwizard]

Flinders park has to come to Two wells Closer but still overnight hike.

[BPwizard]

Yank man

The few players that scene head clash on the weekend asked how is the player doing. Hope it was only concussion not anything to serious.

[Bigshow82]

Pretty hard round to tip the winners this week?

Every game could go either way

Can North Pines knock off gullies?

Id back flinders park to beat angle vale normally but the travel out to gawler could set the reds asleep?

Is this the week flinders uni will score their first win? They make great plays but if they just crunched the opposition and not let them prance around the crabs would be much more fearsome (its not touch footy boys)

The sharks at modbury hmmm? What page in the street directory?

And Shocs Id never write off especially in the southern derby, could their cream of recent years finally rise in 2012 to knock the lions off at sacred heights?

Is it really that hard a round Marbles?

Surely Mitchell Park will be far too good for a SHOC team that is struggling.
Smithfield should be confident of knocking of the crabs too notch up their second win.
With Fairclough starting to rack up big numbers your Sharks will get the win.
Gullies class to really show this week and be to strong for the Pines lads.
The Owls to return to winning form with a win out North.

Well thats how a neutral person may see it

[Lightning McQueen]

Totally agree with you Lightning. But was not condoning voilence said that if something happens team mates should have there back. That is how all teams would react.

What would be the percentages of onfield voilence these days to old days compared to the number of players and teams around now, i would say it would be low. Football is a contact sport and fustration is always going to play apart in the violent acts. But i would say it would be lower then the old days. Also ask most players and they still say what happens onfield should stay onfield.

I find it funny that older guys who played in the days where coathangers, kinghits where apart of footy know frown on it when it was there era. Footy is so much cleaner these days then it ever has and players still hit ball hard but with fairness, but when someone is fouled wrongly does not take much for players on thier team to fire up that is apart of a team sport.

True Footysmart a conflict of interest is their but he is more professionall umpire and i spoke to the club last nite and voiced concern over it for what i have read on here in the last 48 hours so lets c what happens. I think if it is to change and for the better of Angle Vale football Club the club needs to act with the league on this matter. I have said since round one to players it is a shit position for the club to be in and i always new it would reflect on the club in some way.

He'd pretty hard pushed to get a game close by to go to after doing the B's, Brett enjoys umpiring he does a good job of it, I hope there's an appropriate solution that see's all parties happy.
Perhaps your B's could start 15 minutes earlier to give him a chance to get to another ground in time for the A's, the SAAFL needs blokes like this umpiring, Brett was a good honest footballer but age caught up with him, this is his way of staying in the game.
It is a hard gig doing the same side every week, that's why I opted out and joined a neutral league where I have no affiliation, in saying that, Brett has never played footy for Angle Vale.
On another note, when are the owls going to be nesting in their own tree?

[morell]

Yank man

The few players that scene head clash on the weekend asked how is the player doing. Hope it was only concussion not anything to serious.

Daishy was walking around after the game looking a bit sorry for himself but seemingly OK. I asked how he was and he said he had a bit of a headache but was fine.

The girls of Mitchell Park were also most distressed and were volunteering all over the place to be his wet nurse.

[Pacman]

Totally agree with you Lightning. But was not condoning voilence said that if something happens team mates should have there back. That is how all teams would react.

What would be the percentages of onfield voilence these days to old days compared to the number of players and teams around now, i would say it would be low. Football is a contact sport and fustration is always going to play apart in the violent acts. But i would say it would be lower then the old days. Also ask most players and they still say what happens onfield should stay onfield.

I find it funny that older guys who played in the days where coathangers, kinghits where apart of footy know frown on it when it was there era. Footy is so much cleaner these days then it ever has and players still hit ball hard but with fairness, but when someone is fouled wrongly does not take much for players on thier team to fire up that is apart of a team sport.

True Footysmart a conflict of interest is their but he is more professionall umpire and i spoke to the club last nite and voiced concern over it for what i have read on here in the last 48 hours so lets c what happens. I think if it is to change and for the better of Angle Vale football Club the club needs to act with the league on this matter. I have said since round one to players it is a shit position for the club to be in and i always new it would reflect on the club in some way.

He'd pretty hard pushed to get a game close by to go to after doing the B's, Brett enjoys umpiring he does a good job of it, I hope there's an appropriate solution that see's all parties happy.
Perhaps your B's could start 15 minutes earlier to give him a chance to get to another ground in time for the A's, the SAAFL needs blokes like this umpiring, Brett was a good honest footballer but age caught up with him, this is his way of staying in the game.
It is a hard gig doing the same side every week, that's why I opted out and joined a neutral league where I have no affiliation, in saying that, Brett has never played footy for Angle Vale.
On another note, when are the owls going to be nesting in their own tree?

McQueen.... this would only be possible if the lad owned a Delorian and could get it up to 85 mp/h.... He umpires for Angle Vale, which is a fair way out north to get to another ground in time to umpire a game that begins pretty much straight after the B's/D's finish.... Especially considering the umpires need to report a good time before their game actually starts.... If the SAAFL decide that he shouldnt umpire AV A grade games then I think he needs to make the decision of being a club umpire and do their B's or continue on as a SAAFL umpire and aim to work his way up the grades...

[dee man]

is it possible that we not look at the umpire in this case but the actions,responses,attitudes and behaviour of players concerned
to get umpires in this day and age is hard enough and to get some one who wants to umpire not one but two games should be patted on the back
clubs tell your players to wake up to themselves and follow the rules of the game,play hard and play direct but play fair

[Lightning McQueen]

McQueen.... this would only be possible if the lad owned a Delorian and could get it up to 85 mp/h.... He umpires for Angle Vale, which is a fair way out north to get to another ground in time to umpire a game that begins pretty much straight after the B's/D's finish.... Especially considering the umpires need to report a good time before their game actually starts.... If the SAAFL decide that he shouldnt umpire AV A grade games then I think he needs to make the decision of being a club umpire and do their B's or continue on as a SAAFL umpire and aim to work his way up the grades...

That's why I suggested that they could start their B's 15 minutes earlier. When they play in the inner suburbs there's always another game close by, when they move to Angle Vale, Smithfield and Elizabeth are less than a 5 minute drive.
I did mention that he'd be hard pushed to get to another ground in time, it was a common practice a few years ago where even in div. 5 we had umpires getting there right on start time because they did an A1 Reserves game at another venue.