SAAFL Div 2 & 2R (2009)

[Browny25]

Yes up forward Browny, just didn't think their coach rated me highly enough to expect me to kick more than one goal.

At the end of the day you won, so who cares!

Hope you guys and Dusty continue the success.

[NO-MERCY]

I believe Steve O'Connor has asked to be reappointed as coach for next year at Kilburn so he can get on with recruiting etc & have them ready early not like the farce that occured with them going up to Div2 at late notice.
I believe its fallen on feaf ears as the club wants to wait til the end of the year before announcing their coach.
Its amazing half these people that made the decision earlier on ( to go up to Div2 ) have jumped ship after not listening to Ocka in the first place. ( for those that don't know he didn't want to go up )
My mail is if he's not re-appointed quickly it will be by by Kilburn & he'll be off seeking a job elsewhere.

[bandar]

Do you mean bye bye as in straight away or the end of the season?

[NO-MERCY]

He's away on business for 2 weeks & at the same time is probably weighing up that decision.

[old moz]

well . Nearly Was and his cronies might be very busy in the 2 weeks in an effort to cover their own bums.

[NO-MERCY]

There was a rumour Nearly Was was one of those that jumped ship.

[bandar]

After PHOS and before the last game?

[easy TIGA]

surely he wont leave mid season, from what i gather down there he wants to teach a few of the kids and what better way to see what they have by testing them in round 2. (to see what cattle he may have next year, if re appointed that is).

[ezydoesitbigfella]

surely he wont leave mid season, from what i gather down there he wants to teach a few of the kids and what better way to see what they have by testing them in round 2. (to see what cattle he may have next year, if re appointed that is).

My opinion FWIW - is that he wants the appointment for next year so he can line his own pockets. Never heard of him described as an "educator of young footballers" - his modus operandi is more in the vein of buying up "gun players" and relying on them to get the team over the line.

I calculate that he has been a senior coach for at least the past ten years (maybe longer) and would ask his club to spend about $50K per season on players - and he has won TWO? senior premierships - work it out - that's $250K per premiership....not sure that qualifies him in the "good coach" bracket.....anyonne can buy them - just ask Riverside (oh, they don't exist) Greek (oh, they've gone too) Greenacres (paying for their former splurges, trying to recover), Adelaide Uni (going GREAT until compulsory Student Union fees were abolished), Broadview (suffering like Kilburn)....theres plenty more evidence....

[finn]

surely he wont leave mid season, from what i gather down there he wants to teach a few of the kids and what better way to see what they have by testing them in round 2. (to see what cattle he may have next year, if re appointed that is).

anyonne can buy them - just ask Riverside (oh, they don't exist) Greek (oh, they've gone too) Greenacres (paying for their former splurges, trying to recover), Adelaide Uni (going GREAT until compulsory Student Union fees were abolished), Broadview (suffering like Kilburn)....theres plenty more evidence....

what do student union fees have to do with premierships? i'd like to hear some unfounded accusations...
riverside were caught in an area with slowing population and too many clubs while greenacres have been playing mid grades for many years now.
the above statement is just the other side of ridiculous in my opinion

[bandar]

Finn I have actually heard it before (re compulsory unionism) and never really knew how it made a difference. Was there a rise in playing subs after the abolishment or something similar that may have made it less financially inviting (minor I know but every dollar is precious) to play at Uni? I think I've even heard once it from someone at UNI.

[ezydoesitbigfella]

what do student union fees have to do with premierships? i'd like to hear some unfounded accusations...
riverside were caught in an area with slowing population and too many clubs while greenacres have been playing mid grades for many years now.
the above statement is just the other side of ridiculous in my opinion

I have seen a financial report from the AUFC - and it clearly showed "funding" came from Grounds Maintenance - Both State and Federal Money (in the range of $60K combined) - but the grounds were maintained by the University anyway - so with some clever accounting it all looks good! (what would you expect from such clever people) - and I have been told by a person heavily involved that since the abolition of Compulsory Union Fees - the AUFC started to suffer....

And I know of players getting good opportunities to study at AU - maybe a good way to pay off fees? - and others being offered $400 per game to play elsewhere (in the late 80's) but knocked it back....mmmmm....why?

So sick of you Uni people claiming to be so self righteous - you were into the paying of players as much as any of the other culprits - now you can't pay - well....you're paying the price.

Get off your high horses.....

[Jimmy_041]

surely he wont leave mid season, from what i gather down there he wants to teach a few of the kids and what better way to see what they have by testing them in round 2. (to see what cattle he may have next year, if re appointed that is).

My opinion FWIW - is that he wants the appointment for next year so he can line his own pockets. Never heard of him described as an "educator of young footballers" - his modus operandi is more in the vein of buying up "gun players" and relying on them to get the team over the line.

I calculate that he has been a senior coach for at least the past ten years (maybe longer) and would ask his club to spend about $50K per season on players - and he has won TWO? senior premierships - work it out - that's $250K per premiership....not sure that qualifies him in the "good coach" bracket.....anyonne can buy them - just ask Riverside (oh, they don't exist) Greek (oh, they've gone too) Greenacres (paying for their former splurges, trying to recover), Adelaide Uni (going GREAT until compulsory Student Union fees were abolished), Broadview (suffering like Kilburn)....theres plenty more evidence....

I wont go into any of the specific comments above (although I am intrigued about the Uni one), but surely the points system is the way to go instead of a salary cap which is load of old bollocks. How can anyone, but the taxman, properly police a salary cap?

There's no hiding in the points system. And you know something - it will probably get voted down because there a so many militant / vocal clubs that face bleak times if it is implemented.

[stimpy]

that's interesting about the adel uni thing. heard it a little while ago, but again never really understood it and how it would affect the club too. but it seems to make sense i guess.
as fore the salary cap and maybe introducing a points system, teams will always find ways around it. look at Tanunda in the Barossa league for example. they use they're money to give players rent free accomodation to class them as locals. and you hear similar ways of sidestepping the cap in the hills league too. it's definitely a tough one for the league to police. but i agree that the current "salary cap" is a bit of a joke, because i doubt that very many of the higher up clubs would be under.

[Jimmy_041]

what do student union fees have to do with premierships? i'd like to hear some unfounded accusations...
riverside were caught in an area with slowing population and too many clubs while greenacres have been playing mid grades for many years now.
the above statement is just the other side of ridiculous in my opinion

I have seen a financial report from the AUFC - and it clearly showed "funding" came from Grounds Maintenance - Both State and Federal Money (in the range of $60K combined) - but the grounds were maintained by the University anyway - so with some clever accounting it all looks good! (what would you expect from such clever people) - and I have been told by a person heavily involved that since the abolition of Compulsory Union Fees - the AUFC started to suffer....

And I know of players getting good opportunities to study at AU - maybe a good way to pay off fees? - and others being offered $400 per game to play elsewhere (in the late 80's) but knocked it back....mmmmm....why?

So sick of you Uni people claiming to be so self righteous - you were into the paying of players as much as any of the other culprits - now you can't pay - well....you're paying the price.

Get off your high horses.....

I'm not sure the D2 forum is the right place for this, have a million Jars with Jimmy is a probably a better alternative, but what the hell; I'm stuffed after work & having a red, and no-one's going to be able to hurt me over the Net.

I have seen a financial report from the AUFC - and it clearly showed "funding" came from Grounds Maintenance - Both State and Federal Money (in the range of $60K combined) - but the grounds were maintained by the University anyway - so with some clever accounting it all looks good! (what would you expect from such clever people) -

Was the "funding" an Income or Expense? Big difference. $60k Govt funding - what was it specifically for? Surely every Grant must be applied for, and justified. Why should the Adelaide University Football Club Inc not be awarded a grant based upon the same merits any other club? If approved, is it wrong, or are you on the old Us V Them bandwagon? Have a shot at the giver not the receiver

I saw an old scholars club (not mine) get a Grant for new guernseys a few years back so I read the criteria, and guess what, we qualified as well. I asked the PAC Treasurer why we dont do the same - he felt that it was not the right thing to do, not because we didn't need it. You may be surprised, but we pay taxes as well, and not all of us are in the rich category. At PAC, we are a quite separate legal and financial entity and stand or fall on our own finances. Like some clubs, we sometimes apply to the Old Scholars Association for a Grant or a loan for a capital improvements or similar. We have to provide a full submission, including justification, and plans to repay the loan. This is to the same people whom we represent, and.....mostly past players. Is this not like, say, a Salisbury North or Gepps X applying to their Sporting & Social Club for funds?

And I know of players getting good opportunities to study at AU - maybe a good way to pay off fees? - and others being offered $400 per game to play elsewhere (in the late 80's) but knocked it back....mmmmm....why?

You are quite correct. The Blocher's body should bronzed and mounted outside the Uni Oval for what he did for Uni. But.... a lot of that was when we played in the Amateur League. But, if I remember - not too may district clubs suffered; so..So what???

I'm going to cop it for this comment, BUT: there is a difference between bending the rules and breaking them. We had a player in the 80's who was offered huge money to play in an amateur but stayed with us because he wanted to play footy with his mates

Im Jimmy_041.......and that's life.............

[old moz]

Jimmy 041---i would say you are pretty close to the money in regards to SN and GX applying to their respective social clubs for funds and if what i'm told is correct they are being told to raise more of their own funds [which they do anyway ] as members of said social clubs seem to resent the money spent on the footy clubs. members of those social clubs should look back into the history of their establishments and find out that their present facilities came from mainly football clubs. [ climbing down from soapbox ]

[ezydoesitbigfella]

Well Jimmy - I'll give you credit - you know it happened, and aren't trying to deny it.

The money on their P & L was Income - separate entries for State and Federal money given for "grounds maintenance" - anyway - it happened - it happened at most A1 clubs - and the point is - they all end up paying for it eventually.

I'd give all the money back to go back and play against those sides again - they were ripping games - won plenty and lost plenty, but it was a great competition - harder than Reserves footy at the time. Plenty of "vigour" in the games, then a few beers afterwards.

Yep - I'd pay plenty to go around again.

[uncle_fester]

that's interesting about the adel uni thing. heard it a little while ago, but again never really understood it and how it would affect the club too. but it seems to make sense i guess.
as fore the salary cap and maybe introducing a points system, teams will always find ways around it. look at Tanunda in the Barossa league for example. they use they're money to give players rent free accomodation to class them as locals. and you hear similar ways of sidestepping the cap in the hills league too. it's definitely a tough one for the league to police. but i agree that the current "salary cap" is a bit of a joke, because i doubt that very many of the higher up clubs would be under.

tanunda dont work under the "points system", the are under the "imports system".

the points system is the hardest to "cheat" as it is based around guys staying at clubs (each year players are worth less points). whereas salary cap is very easy to dodge & you have given the reason against the import system above.

[NO-MERCY]

what do student union fees have to do with premierships? i'd like to hear some unfounded accusations...
riverside were caught in an area with slowing population and too many clubs while greenacres have been playing mid grades for many years now.
the above statement is just the other side of ridiculous in my opinion

I have seen a financial report from the AUFC - and it clearly showed "funding" came from Grounds Maintenance - Both State and Federal Money (in the range of $60K combined) - but the grounds were maintained by the University anyway - so with some clever accounting it all looks good! (what would you expect from such clever people) - and I have been told by a person heavily involved that since the abolition of Compulsory Union Fees - the AUFC started to suffer....

And I know of players getting good opportunities to study at AU - maybe a good way to pay off fees? - and others being offered $400 per game to play elsewhere (in the late 80's) but knocked it back....mmmmm....why?

So sick of you Uni people claiming to be so self righteous - you were into the paying of players as much as any of the other culprits - now you can't pay - well....you're paying the price.

Get off your high horses.....

What club has won a flag not spending a bit of money in A1s or A2s, your having a crack at O'Connor accusing him ( club ) of spending 50K every year he's coached & now opening up a can of worms with Uni's 60K.
Some northern clubs have been known to spend more than that ( 65-80K ) with no success, look at a certain Western club last year in A1s spending big with no result, they've even gone bigger this year.
Obviously got a bee in your bonnet with O'Connor?

[Jimmy_041]

I agree - not fair comment on O'Çonnor - as far as I konw, he never wanted to go up, and duely vindicated. Although its Kilburn, I'd hope they are not hurt long term for a bold more (well...maybe after they hit D7)