SAAFL Division 1 & D1R (2012)

[Caramels]

I wonder each season why the CFL don't make a change to the Feb 1st date for clearances. Players can sign a contract with Club A in October, then shop himself around and in January can tell club A he's not going to play there because he's got a better offer. Why not make the deadline for clearances and contracts January 1st each year?

[Executive Member]

I wonder each season why the CFL don't make a change to the Feb 1st date for clearances. Players can sign a contract with Club A in October, then shop himself around and in January can tell club A he's not going to play there because he's got a better offer. Why not make the deadline for clearances and contracts January 1st each year?

Should change for 2013
Once they sign then that will be it
Hopefully ruling will come out before the end of the season, still some logistical things to work through with all leagues in the state

[Yardy Lard]

I wonder each season why the CFL don't make a change to the Feb 1st date for clearances. Players can sign a contract with Club A in October, then shop himself around and in January can tell club A he's not going to play there because he's got a better offer. Why not make the deadline for clearances and contracts January 1st each year?

Should change for 2013
Once they sign then that will be it
Hopefully ruling will come out before the end of the season, still some logistical things to work through with all leagues in the state

Having each club in the state with 15 points each, which would ensure a level playing field across the board, and is a very good start to stop the raiding of SAAFL teams from country clubs.
We know that each association get the same points and then they allocate the points to their clubs, but having some country sides get 22 points or more, from their association or league, allows for some country clubs to hit SAAFL clubs hard and it will continue to happen unless stopped. The same points for all clubs in the state would be a very good start, to tweaking with the system IMO and a level playing field for all. No one then has any advantages, in terms of points. We can never stop the money issue, but levelling out the points, can be controlled.

[Hellboy]

I'm not sure your argument stacks up Yardy

The SAAFL get 1005 points total
The Mallee FL get 105 points total
If the MFL want to give one club more points, then they have to take those points from the other clubs. They cannot go above 105 points total
I'd hazard a guess that the SAAFL make up around 50% of all points in the state, so I would say the SAAFL, as a unit, have a pretty good advantage over the other individual leagues.
For example, if the MFL clubs were all on zero points and decided to collectively hit SAAFL clubs, they could take 35 players from D1 - 3
If SAAFL did that, they could take 335 players (ie) the MFL could lose all of their good players from every team
The SAAFL use promotion/relegation
Most of the other leagues use points to even their competitions up
Swings and roundabouts I reckon
You might get hit this year, but do it to another club next year

[On1Leg]

Mate of mine at Lobethal has Alex Seengle from Gepps Cross playing at Torrens Valley next year. Didn't he win the medal last year? That would be a big loss to the Club if so

notice that the clearance for stengle to torrens valley was denied. is he staying with gepps cross or are they just playing hard ball. will be a major loss for gepps.

Gepps Cross do NOT clear contracted players! End of story.

so they would rather make players play for them who dont want to be there.... doesnt sound like a way to have a succesfull year

Probably a good indication of what type of club it is?

[countryboy]

regarding players like Stengle - it's about time players realised that footy is not always about who offers you the best money - if you are happy enough to sign a contract then honour it. Clubs can use up to 4 valuable points to sign these types of players and then let another 3 potential star recruits slip through because it is up to its points allowance - so for the player to then decide that another offer is bigger well in my opinion the club has every right to make him stay. As Jimmy says, swings & roundabouts - but it isn't just about the player.

[On1Leg]

regarding players like Stengle - it's about time players realised that footy is not always about who offers you the best money - if you are happy enough to sign a contract then honour it. Clubs can use up to 4 valuable points to sign these types of players and then let another 3 potential star recruits slip through because it is up to its points allowance - so for the player to then decide that another offer is bigger well in my opinion the club has every right to make him stay. As Jimmy says, swings & roundabouts - but it isn't just about the player.

Fair enough, but Gepps have been happy to pay big bucks to a number of players over the years and are now crying foul when they've been out bidded. It's what happens when you recruit players who chase the dollar.

[bird of prey]

i like the blokes form though. signs a contract last year with intent to play this year. then wins a medal for the best player in the competition (that in no way he deserved from what i saw, and what others daid they saw of him, and especially seeing how some of the other votes were dished out), and uses that undeserved medal to shop himself around for bigger dollars.
if i were invloved at gepps, i'd get rid of a bloke like that. i understand the club wants to set a precedent for anyone signing with the club (and that is rightly so), but what they should do is offer to clear him to wherever it is he wants to go in exchange for some decent $$. and if the club still thinks he's worth that, they would happily pay it.
gepps should then use that money to buy in another decent recruit.

[White Line Fever]

i like the blokes form though. signs a contract last year with intent to play this year. then wins a medal for the best player in the competition (that in no way he deserved from what i saw, and what others daid they saw of him, and especially seeing how some of the other votes were dished out), and uses that undeserved medal to shop himself around for bigger dollars.
if i were invloved at gepps, i'd get rid of a bloke like that. i understand the club wants to set a precedent for anyone signing with the club (and that is rightly so), but what they should do is offer to clear him to wherever it is he wants to go in exchange for some decent $$. and if the club still thinks he's worth that, they would happily pay it.
gepps should then use that money to buy in another decent recruit.

Lol you and others had a better view than the umps??
Didn't deserve....
What an absolute rubbish post.

[alcho-pop]

i like the blokes form though. signs a contract last year with intent to play this year. then wins a medal for the best player in the competition (that in no way he deserved from what i saw, and what others daid they saw of him, and especially seeing how some of the other votes were dished out), and uses that undeserved medal to shop himself around for bigger dollars.
if i were invloved at gepps, i'd get rid of a bloke like that. i understand the club wants to set a precedent for anyone signing with the club (and that is rightly so), but what they should do is offer to clear him to wherever it is he wants to go in exchange for some decent $$. and if the club still thinks he's worth that, they would happily pay it.
gepps should then use that money to buy in another decent recruit.

Lol you and others had a better view than the umps??
Didn't deserve....
What an absolute rubbish post.

Given BOP is a player and generally players have to chase/tackle and do anything to beat their opponents on the day, I reckon on the 2 occasions his team played against Gepps he would have had a better view than the umps. Add to that the other opinions likely came from players/coaches then a reasonable post has been made.
Stengle is a good player but obviously even he wasn't expecting to win the medal or come close given from all reports he signed at Gepps prior to the medal count

[bird of prey]

thank you alcho pop, i thought it was a good post too
can anyone from opposition teams let me know if stengle should've been in the top 2 or 3 on the ground when they played gepps.....i will gladly retract my statement if so
white line fever seems to think that the umpires actually know what they are doing when they give votes
obviously he hasn't been around long

[wristwatcher]

Probably a bit harsh on Stengle but i must admit to have only played 9 games and to win the medal in that field he certainly must have had a little luck on his side .
Im not familiar with what the contract is but isnt he with Port Adelaide anyway .
I also think the amount of country football $$$ being thrown around at the minute it would be hard for someone with genuine talent to not listen to some offers or shop around. In excess of a thousand dollars for visiting and have a kick on a Saturday is quite the lure. Im so thankfull that i never had the afore mentioned "genuine talent" and was over joyed after that first game in the Walkerville A grade when i recieved an envelope with 10 walkie dollars in it. They were little photo copied $2 tokens that could be used anytime in the next 5 days at the bar My how times have changed

[Yardy Lard]

i like the blokes form though. signs a contract last year with intent to play this year. then wins a medal for the best player in the competition (that in no way he deserved from what i saw, and what others daid they saw of him, and especially seeing how some of the other votes were dished out), and uses that undeserved medal to shop himself around for bigger dollars.
if i were invloved at gepps, i'd get rid of a bloke like that. i understand the club wants to set a precedent for anyone signing with the club (and that is rightly so), but what they should do is offer to clear him to wherever it is he wants to go in exchange for some decent $$. and if the club still thinks he's worth that, they would happily pay it.
gepps should then use that money to buy in another decent recruit.

Lol you and others had a better view than the umps??
Didn't deserve....
What an absolute rubbish post.

A very good post I would say. Not in the best 40 players in D1 last year, but won the medal, where not even his most senior club members could believe it. Wont disclose more for fear of knowing what I know, but clearly not in the top 40. Not a rubbish post. Very, very accurate and yes the players know significantly more than the maggots. Never a truer post BOP. Well said and said exactly, what everyone else knows.

[Yardy Lard]

I'm not sure your argument stacks up Yardy

The SAAFL get 1005 points total
The Mallee FL get 105 points total
If the MFL want to give one club more points, then they have to take those points from the other clubs. They cannot go above 105 points total
I'd hazard a guess that the SAAFL make up around 50% of all points in the state, so I would say the SAAFL, as a unit, have a pretty good advantage over the other individual leagues.
For example, if the MFL clubs were all on zero points and decided to collectively hit SAAFL clubs, they could take 35 players from D1 - 3
If SAAFL did that, they could take 335 players (ie) the MFL could lose all of their good players from every team
The SAAFL use promotion/relegation
Most of the other leagues use points to even their competitions up
Swings and roundabouts I reckon
You might get hit this year, but do it to another club next year

I am guessing that is what is good about an opinion Hellboy - we can all have one.
You can have one and so can I. Does not make one right or wrong. You clearly think there is nothing wrong with the system and I clearly think there is. I can write and talk about it and so can you. Benefits of free speech, while living in Australia.

[old moz]

i like the blokes form though. signs a contract last year with intent to play this year. then wins a medal for the best player in the competition (that in no way he deserved from what i saw, and what others daid they saw of him, and especially seeing how some of the other votes were dished out), and uses that undeserved medal to shop himself around for bigger dollars.
if i were invloved at gepps, i'd get rid of a bloke like that. i understand the club wants to set a precedent for anyone signing with the club (and that is rightly so), but what they should do is offer to clear him to wherever it is he wants to go in exchange for some decent $$. and if the club still thinks he's worth that, they would happily pay it.
gepps should then use that money to buy in another decent recruit.

Lol you and others had a better view than the umps??
Didn't deserve....
What an absolute rubbish post.

A very good post I would say. Not in the best 40 players in D1 last year, but won the medal, where not even his most senior club members could believe it. Wont disclose more for fear of knowing what I know, but clearly not in the top 40. Not a rubbish post. Very, very accurate and yes the players know significantly more than the maggots. Never a truer post BOP. Well said and said exactly, what everyone else knows.

you are not right YL , Stengle would be easily in the best 40 players in d1 . has proved it over the last 2-3 years. debate about his medal win is another subject. in the 3-4 games i saw last season he was very , very effective .
p.s. regardless of most peoples opinion of umpires, they do know football [ often more than the 'know alls' at the bar having a cheap shot at them ]
well most of them

[Yardy Lard]

i like the blokes form though. signs a contract last year with intent to play this year. then wins a medal for the best player in the competition (that in no way he deserved from what i saw, and what others daid they saw of him, and especially seeing how some of the other votes were dished out), and uses that undeserved medal to shop himself around for bigger dollars.
if i were invloved at gepps, i'd get rid of a bloke like that. i understand the club wants to set a precedent for anyone signing with the club (and that is rightly so), but what they should do is offer to clear him to wherever it is he wants to go in exchange for some decent $$. and if the club still thinks he's worth that, they would happily pay it.
gepps should then use that money to buy in another decent recruit.

Lol you and others had a better view than the umps??
Didn't deserve....
What an absolute rubbish post.

A very good post I would say. Not in the best 40 players in D1 last year, but won the medal, where not even his most senior club members could believe it. Wont disclose more for fear of knowing what I know, but clearly not in the top 40. Not a rubbish post. Very, very accurate and yes the players know significantly more than the maggots. Never a truer post BOP. Well said and said exactly, what everyone else knows.

you are not right YL , Stengle would be easily in the best 40 players in d1 . has proved it over the last 2-3 years. debate about his medal win is another subject. in the 3-4 games i saw last season he was very , very effective .
p.s. regardless of most peoples opinion of umpires, they do know football [ often more than the 'know alls' at the bar having a cheap shot at them ]
well most of them

Once again an opinion, which we are all entitled. Mine is based on more than just watching a few games last year however. No i do not believe the umpires have a clue with some of the voting and should not be in their hands.

[old moz]

so how many games did you see Stengle play?

[barbs]

Only going on a couple of games but Stengle didn't look like the best player at his club let
alone the best player in the competition.

[carey]

Agreed on Stengle a handy player but i would'nt of thought in the top tier of div1 players.

[Pag]

Stengle is a gun when on, but I remember hearing he didn't feature that high up in Gepps B&F?