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Dogwatcher wrote:

morell wrote: Zartan's quote "Another players girl" (I'm not having a go here Zarts, just an example) implies that player owns the girl, and that the fight was caused by a "disagreement of ownership". The only "fight" that should be happening is a constructive, private, verbal one between the two in the relationship about where the lines are.

So when Women A has a verbal altercation with Women B, which eventually results in hair pulling, face-scratching and rolling around on the floor with flailing arms and cries of "on, no you din't" from a ring of handbag clutching friends surrounding them, because Women B slept with Women A's man, is that part of our patriarchal society?

Is your scenario an example of an outcome that can happen in a patriarchal society? I think it could be - in that women are learning that the only way to get respect and to ensure boundaries are protected is to resort to physical violence.

I love this paragraph from the following article:

It’s gender roles that allow this violence to thrive. Men are trained to be the protector, the provider. So for some men, when they feel like they’re out of control, or they’re unable to protect, or there’s resistance to their needs being met, that somehow means they’re less of a man. All of their focus is on getting back in control, to make them the man they need to be.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/201 ... ome-truths

It's so typical of men who don't want to confront this ugly part of our culture - "but but us too! Men are victims as well!" and/or "but women are mean as well!" and/or "Women can be perpetrators of physical violence!". Sure, those statements are correct, but they're ad-hoc incidents rather than systematic. 87% of domestic violence victims are women. A woman is murdered every week. One is hospitalised every three hours.

So a fight being caused over "a players girl" or saying "don't bang my sister" are responses by men feeling like they need to control or own women. That is caused by a pre conceived notion of a man's role in society. Those gender roles are defined by a patriarchal system.

Q is absolutely right in that we need to redefine masculinity. We can start by adjusting the language we use. Then by removing the notion of protecting your sister/mother/wife/girlfriend from a consensual sexual relationship and punching on because your partner crossed your relationship boundaries from our moral "bro code".

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Zartan wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:Wrong one, he's clamming up other threads.

He sent me a long winded text the other night.. but the bottom line is he wants me and everyone to know that he is not Oyster..

Pearls of wisdom.

On fire today young pup!

morell wrote:It's so typical of men who don't want to confront this ugly part of our culture - "but but us too! Men are victims as well!" and/or "but women are mean as well!" and/or "Women can be perpetrators of physical violence!". Sure, those statements are correct, but they're ad-hoc incidents rather than systematic. 87% of domestic violence victims are women. A woman is murdered every week. One is hospitalised every three hours.

So a fight being caused over "a players girl" or saying "don't bang my sister" are responses by men feeling like they need to control or own women. That is caused by a pre conceived notion of a man's role in society. Those gender roles are defined by a patriarchal system.

Q is absolutely right in that we need to redefine masculinity. We can start by adjusting the language we use. Then by removing the notion of protecting your sister/mother/wife/girlfriend from a consensual sexual relationship and punching on because your partner crossed your relationship boundaries from our moral "bro code".

I agree but I also disagree. I think areas such as domestic violence aren't as much the result of gender roles or a perception that males need to exude masculinity, but more a combination of the individuals psyche, socio-economic standing and upbringing.. i.e. Monkey see, monkey do..

I would hazard a guess the larger numbers of domestic violence issues come from those "lower class" areas or underdeveloped communities.

I would consider my role as a male partner in a relationship to be the protector - from outside threats - but I wouldn't resort to violence to maintain some level of control over my relationship, and I don't think the relationship would ever reach that point because there is a mutual respect and understanding of the boundaries, and communication is key.

You've pulled some alarming statistics over incidents towards women, what would be the stats on men? How often is a male assaulted (by either sex)? How often is a male killed or hospitalised?

Actually I don't even think I'm making any sense anymore, and I cant even remember what I'm arguing about haha!

when a girl has a partner at a football and another football player comes sniffing around TROUBLE

every club has one of these players they come in for few minutes of fun and move on

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Zartan wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:Wrong one, he's clamming up other threads.

He sent me a long winded text the other night.. but the bottom line is he wants me and everyone to know that he is not Oyster..

Pearls of wisdom.

OMG

Q. wrote:Just doing our best to reach 100 pages in this thread before Saturday

99 and it's only Thursday

I'd like it on the record that I have a cold & that's why I'm breathing out my mouth

the milky bar kid wrote:I'd like it on the record that I have a cold & that's why I'm breathing out my mouth

heard you were out tuesday night doing a rain dance for saturday

Robb_Stark wrote:

the milky bar kid wrote:I'd like it on the record that I have a cold & that's why I'm breathing out my mouth

heard you were out tuesday night doing a rain dance for saturday

No, that's just how he runs

**** me there is some absolute crud on here what a waste of
Time that was!! I feel like I'm a lesbian feminist now and I Might as well be a vegan too and save the bloody anaimals

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Zartan wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:Wrong one, he's clamming up other threads.

He sent me a long winded text the other night.. but the bottom line is he wants me and everyone to know that he is not Oyster..

Pearls of wisdom.

Naturally.

Road to Glory wrote:**** me there is some absolute crud on here what a waste of
Time that was!! I feel like I'm a lesbian feminist now and I Might as well be a vegan too and save the bloody anaimals

Don't forget to do cross fit as well.. and remind everyone every 5min

100?

Zartan wrote:

Robb_Stark wrote:

the milky bar kid wrote:I'd like it on the record that I have a cold & that's why I'm breathing out my mouth

heard you were out tuesday night doing a rain dance for saturday

No, that's just how he runs

Hey, I'm just happy you considered it running!

I'm impressed there is over 80,000 views.

Arch44 wrote:I'm impressed there is over 80,000 views.

Everyone trying to get in little posts now, to be the one to tick over to the 100

Tick...tick...tick

Zartan wrote:

Arch44 wrote:I'm impressed there is over 80,000 views.

Everyone trying to get in little posts now, to be the one to tick over to the 100

Am not