Greenacres Announce U18's Side

[human blanket #3]

pretti sure i played against greenacres in u15s in 2005. unless there is anotha club situated nxt 2 a jail i dun think im wrong lol
n wudnt it b smarter 2 hav a u17 team instead so the players get use 2 snr footy even if its in b grade??

[Sheik Yerbouti]

. Many of these guys are talented enough for SANFL U17 or 19 action

Big call there Pearcy, & good luck to you.

But consider this

''Once established, we plan to introduce further under age sides.''

Greenacres are currently a registered NEMJFA side, no?

We may be talking a couple of years down the track, but consider this. The majority of Para Hills, Gepps Cross, Ingle Farm, Broadview, Walkerville, Fitzroy & a smattering in Payneham & the other sides live in the North Adelaide zone. If a boy is picked in a North Adelaide underage squad & is approached (don't forget, they have the data base) by this new NA/Greenacres club, which will most probably be coached & administrated directly with NA personnel do you really think that, unless their parents are dyed in the wool club people, they'd even blink before heading over? The advantages to NA & the player are blatantly obvious.

It does'nt matter if you've got 3000 kids signed up, take out your best 3 or 4 in each 11's to 18's, play them against a team that not only has those boys, but the best of 5 or 6 from other clubs & it's a recipe for a shelacking, no two ways about it. No club team would get even close. NA/Greenacres would'nt even have to entertain from u6's to 11's, just get the relevant info from association squads, send out 30 letters to the squads & bingo, instant team. No piss farting around with parents, canteen duties, volunteers or fundraising ect as littleys, just grab em at the right age. I've been around Fitzroy for 8 years with 2 lads playing for a total of 12 years & serve on the committee, volunteer hours on end over winter & anything else one is silly enough to put a hand up for, & I'd be sorely tempted if my lad made the NA squad & was issued an invitation to train directly under Norths underage coaches, who would'nt?

Case in point after Tired Tigers post (& the reason for my long winded reply). Finished a job this morning & the clients 17yo son plays for North Adelaide & Broadview (as far as B's last year) from what I can gather from his B grade Broadys team mates he shows quite a bit of talent. He attends a non football college & plays as much footy as he can for either on week ends. I bought this subject up with him this morning & when I mentioned the NA connection & he may receive a letter his eyes lit up & he seemed quite exited by the opportunity, I asked him if he'd join & he replied ''of course''. Taken that this lad, unless in a school uniform proudly wears his Broadview or North Adelaide kit everywhere is willing to sign up post haste, how the hell will the NEMJA clubs be able to hang on to their talent, which in most cases have been home grown from 5 years old ?

Lot of what ifs & maybes in that lot but it's worth a think about.

[Felch]

Sheik, i agree totally. It could be disastrous for the nearby clubs.

We have had issues before with our nearby SANFL club telling players, who played all their junior footy with us, that it would be 'in their best interests' if they played at a particular club when they werent playing in their SANFL underage sides. It doesnt help either when one of the coaching staff at this SANFL club is also junior footy director at this 'particular' club.

Im sure other clubs have similar issues with there local SANFL teams.

The Greenacres/NA proposal gives the Roosters junior coaches free reign to send players to where they want, at the detriment of the players 'home' club. Not good, IMO.

Punky, being involved at Fitzroy, surely you can see how this can hurt them ?

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sheik, i agree totally. It could be disastrous for the nearby clubs.

We have had issues before with our nearby SANFL club telling players, who played all their junior footy with us, that it would be 'in their best interests' if they played at a particular club when they werent playing in their SANFL underage sides. It doesnt help either when one of the coaching staff at this SANFL club is also junior footy director at this 'particular' club.

Im sure other clubs have similar issues with there local SANFL teams.

The Greenacres/NA proposal gives the Roosters junior coaches free reign to send players to where they want, at the detriment of the players 'home' club. Not good, IMO.

Punky, being involved at Fitzroy, surely you can see how this can hurt them ?

Who do you have ties with Felch ? If this comes about, worse case senario is that all will be affected, not just the nearby clubs, the competition would be a farce.
I had a yarn to Punk earlier & he posted with his North hat on, he understands the dilemma we could be facing from a junior point of view.

I'd dearly love to comment on your second paragraph there Felch, better not.

[Felch]

Sheik, i agree totally. It could be disastrous for the nearby clubs.

We have had issues before with our nearby SANFL club telling players, who played all their junior footy with us, that it would be 'in their best interests' if they played at a particular club when they werent playing in their SANFL underage sides. It doesnt help either when one of the coaching staff at this SANFL club is also junior footy director at this 'particular' club.

Im sure other clubs have similar issues with there local SANFL teams.

The Greenacres/NA proposal gives the Roosters junior coaches free reign to send players to where they want, at the detriment of the players 'home' club. Not good, IMO.

Punky, being involved at Fitzroy, surely you can see how this can hurt them ?

Who do you have ties with Felch ? If this comes about, worse case senario is that all will be affected, not just the nearby clubs, the competition would be a farce.
I had a yarn to Punk earlier & he posted with his North hat on, he understands the dilemma we could be facing from a junior point of view.

I'd dearly love to comment on your second paragraph there Felch, better not.

Portland mate.

I could write alot more too....

[Bold Strategy]

pretty sure under 18 competition is for ppl who are 2 scared 2 play snrs or for 18 yr olds who want to start fights instead of playing footy like that smithfield team in 2006...

i dont see the point of having an under 18 team in a div 5 club because if u cant make at least B grade then dont see how u can make NA

[Pag]

It's a crap idea. Centrals do the same thing, tell their Under 19s who aren't getting a game to go to Salisbury North.

The thing I don't understand is, if all these North guys who aren't getting picked are all playing together at Greenazres, they should, theoretically, belt all the sides they play against. How is this going to make them better players, winning by 10, 15, 20 goals every week? It's not going to make North's Underage squads any stronger, if anything these guys are going to forget what it's like to battle through a game. Why not leave them spread out across a range of clubs so they play against some better opposition on a Sunday afternoon instead of giving them a walk in the park every week? Or better yet, tell them to play senior footy at their local club. Playing against men has to be better for them than playing against weakened Under 17/18 sides.

Make no mistake, kids will go to Greenacres. It's amazing what teenagers will do to have a chance to play footy for their SANFL club, I only hope North take care of those kids and their clubs in return.

[Punk Rooster]

Punky, being involved at Fitzroy, surely you can see how this can hurt them ?

I only reported the facts as presented on the NAFC site, then offered an explanation as to why- imo

[zedman]

i dont think u answered my questions punky..

[Punk Rooster]

i dont think u answered my questions punky..

what answers do I have?
I didn't write the initial article, just cut & pasted it.

I guess a lot of people are making pertinent points, no matter what your angle on the issue.

[Felch]

Punky, being involved at Fitzroy, surely you can see how this can hurt them ?

I only reported the facts as presented on the NAFC site, then offered an explanation as to why- imo

Wasnt having a crack at you Punky, i understand your view from a NA perspective.

I was just interested in your view through Fitzroy eyes.

[Punk Rooster]

I never really had a viewpoint at all on it- just reported it.

I can see that potentially it could weaken other sides in that age division.

[Pearcey]

Look, I agree to a certain extent, but remember, the 'Greenies Roosters', may well take the best 30 Under 13's, 14's, 15's & 17's from clubs in their zone.
An average of 2 in each age group per club. Some clubs may provide 3 or 4, others none. It would only be an issue if they fielded 2 or more teams in those age groups and poached all the kids from other clubs.
Any club or clubs which disappear are probably not looking after their kids properly anyway.
It might give the NEMJFA clubs the kick up the butt we all need!
Oh, and as Kilburn have yet to re-affliliate, according to the NEMJFA constitution there is room for another club.
So we get our arse kicked when playing against them.
At Gepps Cross we got our arse kicked for years playing against anybody!
The kids still turned up to play, though.
And everyone wants to beat the best. Might actually raise the standard.

[stan]

. Many of these guys are talented enough for SANFL U17 or 19 action

Big call there Pearcy, & good luck to you.

But consider this

''Once established, we plan to introduce further under age sides.''

Greenacres are currently a registered NEMJFA side, no?

We may be talking a couple of years down the track, but consider this. The majority of Para Hills, Gepps Cross, Ingle Farm, Broadview, Walkerville, Fitzroy & a smattering in Payneham & the other sides live in the North Adelaide zone. If a boy is picked in a North Adelaide underage squad & is approached (don't forget, they have the data base) by this new NA/Greenacres club, which will most probably be coached & administrated directly with NA personnel do you really think that, unless their parents are dyed in the wool club people, they'd even blink before heading over? The advantages to NA & the player are blatantly obvious.

It does'nt matter if you've got 3000 kids signed up, take out your best 3 or 4 in each 11's to 18's, play them against a team that not only has those boys, but the best of 5 or 6 from other clubs & it's a recipe for a shelacking, no two ways about it. No club team would get even close. NA/Greenacres would'nt even have to entertain from u6's to 11's, just get the relevant info from association squads, send out 30 letters to the squads & bingo, instant team. No piss farting around with parents, canteen duties, volunteers or fundraising ect as littleys, just grab em at the right age. I've been around Fitzroy for 8 years with 2 lads playing for a total of 12 years & serve on the committee, volunteer hours on end over winter & anything else one is silly enough to put a hand up for, & I'd be sorely tempted if my lad made the NA squad & was issued an invitation to train directly under Norths underage coaches, who would'nt?

Case in point after Tired Tigers post (& the reason for my long winded reply). Finished a job this morning & the clients 17yo son plays for North Adelaide & Broadview (as far as B's last year) from what I can gather from his B grade Broadys team mates he shows quite a bit of talent. He attends a non football college & plays as much footy as he can for either on week ends. I bought this subject up with him this morning & when I mentioned the NA connection & he may receive a letter his eyes lit up & he seemed quite exited by the opportunity, I asked him if he'd join & he replied ''of course''. Taken that this lad, unless in a school uniform proudly wears his Broadview or North Adelaide kit everywhere is willing to sign up post haste, how the hell will the NEMJA clubs be able to hang on to their talent, which in most cases have been home grown from 5 years old ?

Lot of what ifs & maybes in that lot but it's worth a think about.

I would say you are on the money and in my opinion you are right on the money. I think its clear what this is designed to do.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Look, I agree to a certain extent, but remember, the 'Greenies Roosters', may well take the best 30 Under 13's, 14's, 15's & 17's from clubs in their zone.
An average of 2 in each age group per club. Some clubs may provide 3 or 4, others none. It would only be an issue if they fielded 2 or more teams in those age groups and poached all the kids from other clubs.
Any club or clubs which disappear are probably not looking after their kids properly anyway.
It might give the NEMJFA clubs the kick up the butt we all need!
Oh, and as Kilburn have yet to re-affliliate, according to the NEMJFA constitution there is room for another club.
So we get our arse kicked when playing against them.
At Gepps Cross we got our arse kicked for years playing against anybody!
The kids still turned up to play, though.
And everyone wants to beat the best. Might actually raise the standard.

I admire your optimism Pearcey, wish I could take the same outlook, if we all had a couple of Pearcys at every clubs the sales of Grecian 2000 would rapidly decline. I was pleasantly surprised last year when we admitted the Elizabethan clubs & finally NEMJA went with the two tiered system & twice the number of boys were able to play in finals & play competitive teams, even though there were a few blowouts it was a huge improvement on recent years. If (& a big if) we go with this Greenacres scenario we're straight back to Premiership pendants being awarded to the same mob year in year out, but with a much increased % & embarrassing grand final scorelines. Even with your rosy outlook Pearcey there is no way this will increase the standard.

Two years ago NEMJFA sent their association squads to play the CDJFA association, the difference was that while we sent out two from every club, Centrals played their junior development/rep teams. In the 14's the score was something like 28 goals to 3. Remembering that this was the best two players from 14 or so clubs from the NEMJFA. The same year the North development squad easily accounted for the Doggies in the same age group. What chance would a simple suburban junior footy team have against a line up like that ?

[smac]

What gives you the impression that the CDJFL used the development side from Centrals, Sheik? Aside from a clear breach of the rules (written or unwritten), it wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.

To start with, development side consists of players from NEMJFA and secondly the CDJFL has players from CDFC, PAFC & NAFC zones (often WWTFC as well given the locality of their country zone), it is often the case that the association side is a better one than the development side.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Thought everybody knew smac, your junior development organizer confirmed it last year. It may have just been as simple as a lack of numbers in the CDJFA in 06. This year the scores between the associations were par with pretty even results.

[smac]

As I said in my PM to you, I do recall the situation now - was the only option available to give the players a game that season. Thanks for jogging my memory.

[Start]

Sheik you made an insightful post, with some great points. But I think there is a huge opportunity here for the other clubs which this could affect, is to put together their own Junior development program, if they havnt already. With a part time/Volunteer to run the program, get your local club to buy in, as far as coaching advise, relevant skills etc on what they are looking. I think you find they will jump at the idea.

I have done this recently with our SANFL club, and the amount of information & Guidance has been excellent.

[The Riddler]

who's going to coach them?