2009 Fixtures

[Rotter]

The reason that this is not done is due to several sides (College Poofters) not knowing if their grounds are available due to school football.

This is the reason is it? I'm sure ignorance comes easily to you, no need to put out there for all to see.

[bandar]

Don't care one way or the other but it is one of the reasons that has been given to me by the league over the years.

[Rotter]

If anyone cares to think about it there aren't many if any Old Scholars clubs using the same grounds as the school teams and most schools have multi-ground facilities anyway.

If you really want to know where the problem lies it's co-ordinating the many suburban clubs and their alternate H/A seasons because they only have one ground.

That said, it still could be done a lot earlier if by the most simplest of ways - simply keep the previous seasons program as a template and substitute promotions with relegations and vica versa.

Fourth Estate. Could part of the problem there is not a full program out be clubs such as yours who still to this point don't know if you're going to have 3 or 4 sides.

[bandar]

Scotch and SHOC would be the main ones so it seems strange the league have always used it as an excuse. District clubs with four teams should only ever need one ground as it would normally be a simple home and away. The issue comes when the 3rd and 4th sides play different clubs. They tried to alleviate it with the C1 to C5 but we can all see the reasons that won't work. They should be able to put out a draw for D1 to D5 as other than the occaisional club really struggling for numbers it should be as read. Not often one of these clubs will suddenly drop a B grade.

[White Unicorn]

Scotch and SHOC would be the main ones so it seems strange the league have always used it as an excuse. District clubs with four teams should only ever need one ground as it would normally be a simple home and away. The issue comes when the 3rd and 4th sides play different clubs. They tried to alleviate it with the C1 to C5 but we can all see the reasons that won't work. They should be able to put out a draw for D1 to D5 as other than the occaisional club really struggling for numbers it should be as read. Not often one of these clubs will suddenly drop a B grade.

I think it is more to do with the C & D grades and the legue giving them perhaps too long to withdraw a team. Not sure how the college sides fit into it? But as u say, D1-D5 it shouldnt affect

[BigDaddy]

I think that the SAAFL really needs to review all of their timings when it comes to nominations and releasing the upcoming schedule. I would be all for moving the nomination process back a month in order to finalise leagues and fixtures a month earlier.

These days there is pretty much no such thing as an off-season when it comes to the running of a footy club, and I would imagine most clubs would be able to nominate numbers of teams a little bit earlier than required. That way clubs could receive the fixtures in Feb and plan events for the upcoming year with a bit more ease.

I also think that picking up all documentation (umpires forms, handbooks, report sheets, match day checklists etc) from the SAAFL on the Thursday night before round 1 needs to be looked at. Having 1 night to distribute all of this to 5 teams can be a nightmare!!

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Bandar & Big Daddy you are on the money with this, D1 - D5 should be done early no excuses Feb 20 cut off is only to finalise D6 down.
The league does stretch the draw out and it is because of the college sides as one of the delegates from a college told me they don't know when their oval is avaliable until the school decides when they want to use and as a result their C grade seldom play there.

The league needs to get their act together as most clubs now don't have an off season and I can vouch for that, just ask my wife she thought I would be home more during the summer!!!!!!

[LaughingKookaburra]

Why the big fuss, who gives a s**t who you are playing round 1 when it's February. What if a club falls over after xmas and has no 1 at training after they nominated before xmas to be in div 2, then it stuffs every thing up and then the fixtures have to be re-done. I for 1 don't mind waiting for 5 weeks out if it's done correctly first time. You can't do your home work before then because the clubs who you will be playing against will not have played a trial yet, imo not an issue. If it is I suggest you nominate a syndicate for the league board and make a difference...

[gothebombers]

lk i see kenilworth nom a c grade again. are they going to have one or stick with the a and b grade

[Jimmy_041]

Why the big fuss, who gives a s**t who you are playing round 1 when it's February. What if a club falls over after xmas and has no 1 at training after they nominated before xmas to be in div 2, then it stuffs every thing up and then the fixtures have to be re-done. I for 1 don't mind waiting for 5 weeks out if it's done correctly first time. You can't do your home work before then because the clubs who you will be playing against will not have played a trial yet, imo not an issue. If it is I suggest you nominate a syndicate for the league board and make a difference...

Well done Kookies. For that, I'll come down this year and watch "Match of the Day" at Kooky Park and buy you a steak sandwich and beer(sssssssssssssss).

To the rest, we have to fit in with other people in the world. If you dont like the college sides in the competition, f...off to a district only league where you'll find something else to complain about.

Two points:

1. We are soft anyway, so are easy beats
2. We were here before most of you anyway.

[LaughingKookaburra]

lk i see kenilworth nom a c grade again. are they going to have one or stick with the a and b grade

Doubt it mate, from what we have heard there is only 2 sides. Time will tell, but I guess they are playing it safe in case we have an influx of players say 2-3 weeks out from round 1. Smart thinking really.

[turk186]

LK..from my POV its not who your playing so much as the where your playing...we get a much better turn up to functions when we have them after a home game rather than if we were away to a team from down south eg Kenilworth..this equates to more $$ for the club so I feel the SAAFL should get the program out earlier than at present so clubs have a chance to book the type of shows, venues etc based on long weekends, AFL matches at AAMI and the like...its up to the clubs (all of them) to tell the SAAFL as they actually work (technically they are employees) for us, not themselves, believe it or not.

The program could be as simple as 1 v 2 , 3 v 4 etc with the the no. associated to a team at the top of the page, sent out by email on a A4 sheet at the end of January, if there is a change, email the teams in the division and still issue the book as per normal (1 week before round 1)

Give the clubs, committee members and volunteer's a helping hand Mr CEO and Assoc.

[LaughingKookaburra]

I see your point turk, but realistically how many supporters attend the club before the trials so they can find out about functions, or how many are going to read flyers about club functions for footy when it's still 40c. I'm sure all clubs are capable of organising functions for during the year within 5 weeks of round 1.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Why the big fuss, who gives a s**t who you are playing round 1 when it's February. What if a club falls over after xmas and has no 1 at training after they nominated before xmas to be in div 2, then it stuffs every thing up and then the fixtures have to be re-done. I for 1 don't mind waiting for 5 weeks out if it's done correctly first time. You can't do your home work before then because the clubs who you will be playing against will not have played a trial yet, imo not an issue. If it is I suggest you nominate a syndicate for the league board and make a difference...

Obviously you and jimmy are not a club directors and just turn up at games
Clubs have to plan for the up coming season. If the league wasn't so weak and got clubs to make decisions it might be better run

Clubs like yours in lower grades might be able to get by with one weeks notice of a program but in D1 & D2 we need more notice.

I gather that neither of you are club directors so don't understand what is in volved in running a club. I suggest that you get involved on a day to day basis and you might change your mind

[LaughingKookaburra]

Why the big fuss, who gives a s**t who you are playing round 1 when it's February. What if a club falls over after xmas and has no 1 at training after they nominated before xmas to be in div 2, then it stuffs every thing up and then the fixtures have to be re-done. I for 1 don't mind waiting for 5 weeks out if it's done correctly first time. You can't do your home work before then because the clubs who you will be playing against will not have played a trial yet, imo not an issue. If it is I suggest you nominate a syndicate for the league board and make a difference...

Obviously you and jimmy are not a club directors and just turn up at games
Clubs have to plan for the up coming season. If the league wasn't so weak and got clubs to make decisions it might be better run

Clubs like yours in lower grades might be able to get by with one weeks notice of a program but in D1 & D2 we need more notice.

I gather that neither of you are club directors so don't understand what is in volved in running a club. I suggest that you get involved on a day to day basis and you might change your mind

If I did not work so often mate I would. Unfortunatly the Kenilworth Football Club arent going to pay my bills for me. As I said above, if you do not like it then do something about it. Unfortunatly coming on here and making a big deal of it will get you no where, get a syndicate together and make a move forward, you have all the spare time in the world before february 20 so i'm sure it could be organised..... I'm not being arrogant or sticking up for anyone, I just fail to see how coming on here abusing the SAAFL will get you any where..

[Jimmy_041]

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[Rotter]

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I concur

[Jimmy_041]

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[Jimmy_041]

The AFL makes their fixture available in early October. Most clubs look at the draw and try to arrange either past player days or function that do not clash with AFL games.

The SAAFL decide not to release a fixture until 1 month before the season.
This is an absolute piece of Crap way to run a competition.

The fixture should be released by Christmas for divisions 1-5 with out failure.

The reason that this is not done is due to several sides (College Poofters) not knowing if their grounds are available due to school football.

The League should do the fixture and if a college side’s home game is programmed when their ground is unavailable bad luck. Why should the rest of the league be held up to suit these 4-5 clubs?

The C1 – C5 comp is also a joke, teams are getting belted by huge margins every week. It should be based up level of ability not where you’re A grade is placed; this is a very stupid rule and does not give all sides a level playing field. This rule is similar to the north-south comp and we have proved that C grade sides will travel.

The VAFA have already done theirs and it is on their website and they have just as many clubs as we do.

The league needs to start recognising the contributions that clubs make.

At the moment there is no reward for being a D1 club any more other than higher umpire fees.

Do the fixture for D1 first then the fixture each of the C grades & D grades for those clubs to ensure home games.

Then do the rest of the draw grade by grade and release the draw for D1-D5 by Christmas and finalise the rest of the draw after the close off date.

If the league is unable to do the draw by Christmas appoint a committee of intelligent delegates (There are plenty of smart club people running clubs) to draw up the fixtures to allow clubs some time for strategic planning for the following season.

Our club has mapped out the entire year and many hours of hard work could be all for nothing if we do not get the two home games as requested, as we have to manage 7 premiership reunions this year. That is a lot of past players to contact with and we are at the whim of a league that seems to not care about any one at the moment and is steered by a rudderless CEO

Including the same ones that beat you twice in 2008 - if they are poofters mate, doesn't say a lot about you, does it!!! Beaten by the handbags is nothing to be proud about, but worse is slinging off at them

[BenchedEagle]

Who really cares?? A month is plenty of time. U basicially know who ur playin against anyways, with a few rare exceptions like this year.

We are an AMATUER competition and to compare the way its run to AFL is completly ludacris! It is a lot more complicated to program a multi divisonal league than its is a 16 team league where the same teams are always gonna be there, their grounds always gonna be available! AFL have a formula to go buy, clubs put in request and it is just nutted out! AFL clubs need more time so they can get council permissions, function planning, membership considerations!