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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby bandar » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:05 pm

Shoe boy do you mean a combination of both rather than one or the other or just an open slather approach?
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby bandar » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:09 pm

Bum Crack wrote:We have had the points system up and running for a couple of years now in the Riverland and the major flaw I see with it, is it doesn't have an allowance for the lower clubs for the following season. This puts the bottom teams on the back foot from the start as the top teams from the previous year are getting the same points to play with, which puts the lower teams behind the 8 ball straight away. Do you know if the bottom teams from the previous year will be getting an extra points allowance the following year? If they don't, it could make it a very one sided comp (unless those lower teams can bring in some ex local guns who played their junior footy with the club and will not be worth any points).


The proposal from SAAFL has a sliding scale built in (suggested only I think).

Top four 10 points
Next three 12 points
Bottom three 15 points

It also proposes a way of asking for extra points above 15 in exceptional cicumstances.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Bum Crack » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:25 pm

bandar wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:We have had the points system up and running for a couple of years now in the Riverland and the major flaw I see with it, is it doesn't have an allowance for the lower clubs for the following season. This puts the bottom teams on the back foot from the start as the top teams from the previous year are getting the same points to play with, which puts the lower teams behind the 8 ball straight away. Do you know if the bottom teams from the previous year will be getting an extra points allowance the following year? If they don't, it could make it a very one sided comp (unless those lower teams can bring in some ex local guns who played their junior footy with the club and will not be worth any points).


The proposal from SAAFL has a sliding scale built in (suggested only I think).

Top four 10 points
Next three 12 points
Bottom three 15 points

It also proposes a way of asking for extra points above 15 in exceptional cicumstances.

Pity the RFL doesn't take this approach
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby bandar » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:36 pm

I think they have the option pretty sure the SAAFL model is based on what the CFB or whatever they are have put forward.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby aceman » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:56 pm

Bum Crack wrote:
bandar wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:We have had the points system up and running for a couple of years now in the Riverland and the major flaw I see with it, is it doesn't have an allowance for the lower clubs for the following season. This puts the bottom teams on the back foot from the start as the top teams from the previous year are getting the same points to play with, which puts the lower teams behind the 8 ball straight away. Do you know if the bottom teams from the previous year will be getting an extra points allowance the following year? If they don't, it could make it a very one sided comp (unless those lower teams can bring in some ex local guns who played their junior footy with the club and will not be worth any points).


The proposal from SAAFL has a sliding scale built in (suggested only I think).

Top four 10 points
Next three 12 points
Bottom three 15 points

It also proposes a way of asking for extra points above 15 in exceptional cicumstances.

Pity the RFL doesn't take this approach



They could if they were put under enough pressure by the clubs they represent.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby shoe boy » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:57 pm

bandar wrote:Shoe boy do you mean a combination of both rather than one or the other or just an open slather approach?


Last year the SFL trialed our system which differs from the CFB model.

The presidents voted against the CFB model which they want us to implement in 2010,so they have reluctantly allowed our system to go ahead in 2010 under the proviso that their system be trialed with ours in 2010 and then the CFB model for 2011.

My point "why the salary cap or the points system" is that I dont believe this is the answer to making an even comp if this is why we have either?
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Bum Crack » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:58 pm

aceman wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:
bandar wrote:
Bum Crack wrote:We have had the points system up and running for a couple of years now in the Riverland and the major flaw I see with it, is it doesn't have an allowance for the lower clubs for the following season. This puts the bottom teams on the back foot from the start as the top teams from the previous year are getting the same points to play with, which puts the lower teams behind the 8 ball straight away. Do you know if the bottom teams from the previous year will be getting an extra points allowance the following year? If they don't, it could make it a very one sided comp (unless those lower teams can bring in some ex local guns who played their junior footy with the club and will not be worth any points).


The proposal from SAAFL has a sliding scale built in (suggested only I think).

Top four 10 points
Next three 12 points
Bottom three 15 points

It also proposes a way of asking for extra points above 15 in exceptional cicumstances.

Pity the RFL doesn't take this approach



They could if they were put under enough pressure by the clubs they represent.

They shouldn't have to be put under pressure. It's the logical thing to do.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby aceman » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:08 pm

shoe boy wrote:
bandar wrote:Shoe boy do you mean a combination of both rather than one or the other or just an open slather approach?


Last year the SFL trialed our system which differs from the CFB model.

The presidents voted against the CFB model which they want us to implement in 2010,so they have reluctantly allowed our system to go ahead in 2010 under the proviso that their system be trialed with ours in 2010 and then the CFB model for 2011.

My point "why the salary cap or the points system" is that I dont believe this is the answer to making an even comp if this is why we have either?



You are correct but this "Points system" is seen as the best model they can find to stop the wealthy clubs buying in the big guns. It is aimed at retention of and the return of your juniors to their original club and mainting players at your club rather than the transient money grabbers or premiership seekers of which the footy world has plenty.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby aceman » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:11 pm

They shouldn't have to be put under pressure. It's the logical thing to do.


Oh yeah, but since when have many football administrators done anything that is "logical"?
Bringing pressure to bear from club delegates can work wonders because after all, they represent the clubs, they are NOT the clubs.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:12 pm

Is a team that gets relegated considered a bottom team and a team that gets promoted considered a top team. ie if a team has 15 points one year, gets promoted, do they get 10 points or 15 points or 12 the following year?
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby aceman » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:16 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:Is a team that gets relegated considered a bottom team and a team that gets promoted considered a top team. ie if a team has 15 points one year, gets promoted, do they get 10 points or 15 points or 12 the following year?



An extremely good question and one that I'm not sure has been thought that much about.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Bum Crack » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:31 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:Is a team that gets relegated considered a bottom team and a team that gets promoted considered a top team. ie if a team has 15 points one year, gets promoted, do they get 10 points or 15 points or 12 the following year?

I would have thought a tea, that gets relegated would be classed as a top team the following year, because they are playing in a lower division and a team that gets promoted, would be considered a bottom team the following year, because they are going up a division.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby bandar » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:37 pm

Really good point a case could be made for a club coming up needing more than 15 points.

An interesting exercise would be to look at a club like Eastern Park who were more than competitive coming up an how many points their recruits from last year would have added up to and if it is more than 15 then it is probably a fair benchmark for clubs going up.
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:58 pm

On the other hand, a team going down and given the minimum points, could continue their downward trend
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby locky801 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:35 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:Yes it's only A Grade that the points quota applies to



Is that just Div 1 or clubs a grade sides
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby bandar » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:36 pm

A Grade Sides
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby The Yetti » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:51 pm

I am not sure that the points system will help in the SAAFL.
It appears to be going OK in the country leagues and does help the bottom teams...However there is no relegation and promotion of bottom and top teams.
The SAAFL is self balancing with the movement up and down. One just needs to look at Athelstone over the last 25 years, admitedly not all in SAAFL. It does give a club a chance to rebuild over a number of years...or a chance for a club to dissappear.

A club in Country and outer suburban Leagues can and have just dissappeared or merged which is why the Community Football Board is pushing the barrow...To keep local footy going with as even a comp as they can get
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Pacman » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:00 pm

How is the Old Collegian sides going to work??? If District club juniors are worth no points when the come back what happens at the OC clubs?? If it goes on players who went to school there, look out cos they could dominate the competition....SHOC could get players like the Cornes boys for nothing......something that needs to be considered, cos there are some awesome players that went to school at teams like ROCS, PAC, SHOC, etc etc.... :? :?
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:14 pm

Pacman wrote:How is the Old Collegian sides going to work??? If District club juniors are worth no points when the come back what happens at the OC clubs?? If it goes on players who went to school there, look out cos they could dominate the competition....SHOC could get players like the Cornes boys for nothing......something that needs to be considered, cos there are some awesome players that went to school at teams like ROCS, PAC, SHOC, etc etc.... :? :?


Makes a change from district clubs offering our players $2-500 per game doesnt it - 30 years of rape and pillage will be avenged :supz: \:D/
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Re: Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

Postby Pacman » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:53 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Pacman wrote:How is the Old Collegian sides going to work??? If District club juniors are worth no points when the come back what happens at the OC clubs?? If it goes on players who went to school there, look out cos they could dominate the competition....SHOC could get players like the Cornes boys for nothing......something that needs to be considered, cos there are some awesome players that went to school at teams like ROCS, PAC, SHOC, etc etc.... :? :?


Makes a change from district clubs offering our players $2-500 per game doesnt it - 30 years of rape and pillage will be avenged :supz: \:D/


Dont put all 'District' clubs in the same boat Jimmy, there are a lot out there that rely on their Juniors and others that play for next to nothing....And dont tell me OC teams dont pay....I know what a few boys are on at a couple of the clubs and it aint bread and water.... ;) ;)
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