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daysofourlives wrote:Ok so it seems the lower division clubs have high numbers of juniors progressing to senior ranks.

The only reply from a high division team (Walkerville) suggests that the higher you go the less local players there are.
Would be good to get some more numbers from the higher division clubs

We are div 2 and 18/22?

jo172 wrote:Would be very curious as to Goodwood's

i think Goodwood were 9/22 in the 'A's, 15/22 in the B's.

They have had a strong group of older players in their As who have played for ages and would have pre-dated their juniors.

What the numbers so far show (Goodwood notwithstanding) is the true (and unfortunately obvious and hard to fix) root of Brahma/Mitchell Park/Kilburn's problems.

At it seems a majority of clubs the large majorities of playing groups are made up from junior ranks.

At Onkas last game this year 16 of 21 played juniors for us. 2 of the 5 non juniors have been with us for 5 or more seasons. Of the 47 players who played A grade this year (bad run of injuries) 10 didn't play juniors with us but 7 of those have either been with us for 5 or more seasons or moved to the hills. We had 75 players play footy for us (A & B grade) & about 20 weren't juniors, a lot of those were mates who just filled in for a game or 2 when we were struggling for numbers.
Interesting topic when you look through it.

Our last flag in 94 we had 11 of 20 were Onkas juniors 4 came from other hills clubs (2 as recruits, 2 to play with mates) & 5 recruits from town 2 of them finishing their footy careers with us.

jo172 wrote:What the numbers so far show (Goodwood notwithstanding) is the true (and unfortunately obvious and hard to fix) root of Brahma/Mitchell Park/Kilburn's problems.

At it seems a majority of clubs the large majorities of playing groups are made up from junior ranks.

maybe only clubs with large numbers of juniors in their sides are putting them here. the others dont want to be seen as another brahma/kilburn

Henley would be an interesting one in terms how many juniors they play in their A grade side.

Footy Chick wrote:Henley would be an interesting one in terms how many juniors they play in their A grade side.

On topic I'd suspect a vast majority of ROCS went to Rostrevor (and played juniors at PNU )

PACOC had 21/22 of their 2nd Semi Final 22 as old PAC boys

Plympton had about 12 in each of the A & B grade

Footy Chick wrote:Henley would be an interesting one in terms how many juniors they play in their A grade side.

I count 3 from their round 18 side last year (could be one or two more but I don't know all of their player's history)

Jetters wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:Ok so it seems the lower division clubs have high numbers of juniors progressing to senior ranks.

The only reply from a high division team (Walkerville) suggests that the higher you go the less local players there are.
Would be good to get some more numbers from the higher division clubs

We are div 2 and 18/22?

Are the 18's all Unley Juniors or are you counting Mercedes players in that number as well?

SMOSH FC and West Lakes FC merger only took place in 1996. Our last A grade premiership was in 2007. From memory I think there were only four Club juniors in that side, the remainder (except for five) were ex college.

Today as the Club becomes more established as the SWLFC.....the ratio of Club players is increasing where the three senior sides (in particular the Reserves and C Grade sides) all have good numbers that have come through the Junior sides. Like many other Clubs with a strong Juniors Programme, the exceptional talent is lost as they get snapped up by the SANFL Clubs. (one always hopes if they don't make the grade or find it all too hard, they'll come home).

Whilst having access to College players is an undeniable advantage, again the exceptional talent usually finds its way to the SANFL, or higher Divisions in some cases. There are a number of Western Clubs all competing to get the services of "School Juniors" to their Clubs so despite being and Old Scholars FC it does not mean we automatically sweep the lottery referring to acquiring big numbers heading to the "Den".

Perhaps one of the reasons you mention as to why the higher Division Clubs have less Juniors in their senior side may be that Club Juniors coming through who aspire to play A grade football, find them competing for spots from either College recruits, or "guns for hire". When unable to break into the senior side or being a fringe player as such they may seek opportunities elsewhere thereby having a disparity in Junior numbers compared with other Clubs. I can't say definitively but there could be a few who will argue the point.

With an 18/22 ratio newly arrived Div 2 side Unley Mercedes clearly is an exception if the 18 are all Juniors from the Unley FC Juniors Programme.....

jo172 wrote:PACOC had 21/22 of their 2nd Semi Final 22 as old PAC boys

That's an impressive number.

Any other clubs anywhere near that sort of ratio?

jo172 wrote:What the numbers so far show (Goodwood notwithstanding) is the true (and unfortunately obvious and hard to fix) root of Brahma/Mitchell Park/Kilburn's problems.

At it seems a majority of clubs the large majorities of playing groups are made up from junior ranks.

Its one of the biggest, that's for sure. Closing the gap between our junior and senior sides has to be part of our strategic planning. We have made massive strides with our Juniors in recent years but it'll be a decade before we reap any benefits in the seniors.

Our 2012 Premiership side had 6 MPFC juniors I think.

Morell, not having a dig but how many of those juniors are still there? And how many of the premiership side are still there?

Of the 6 juniors from the 2012 premiership side, most of them are still with us - approx 4 off the top of my head.

Of the premiership side in total ... about 6 or 7.