SAAFL Division 6 & D6R (2012)

[Bigshow82]

dont think so..where did glenunga finish 2010? they came up..i believe angle vale would be offered if the above scenarios play out..shoc staying in div 7, ingle farm not allowed to go back up to div 6..henley and ingle farm down to div 7 and mawson and angle vale up to div 6

Wasn't glenungas situation a little different being they were offered the chance to go up because Smithfield pulled out of div5?

[Executive Member]

dont think so..where did glenunga finish 2010? they came up..i believe angle vale would be offered if the above scenarios play out..shoc staying in div 7, ingle farm not allowed to go back up to div 6..henley and ingle farm down to div 7 and mawson and angle vale up to div 6

Wasn't glenungas situation a little different being they were offered the chance to go up because Smithfield pulled out of div5?

Correct bigshow
Same reason why north haven stayed up in Div 5

[scottroo]

my mail is shoc to come up

[story of my life]

ran into a bloke from SHOCS at castle plaza yesterday and he's filfthy about the fact they are staying in division 7

[hazza11]

ran into a bloke from SHOCS at castle plaza yesterday and he's filfthy about the fact they are staying in division 7

Was he angry about this as well?

[zedman]

dont think so..where did glenunga finish 2010? they came up..i believe angle vale would be offered if the above scenarios play out..shoc staying in div 7, ingle farm not allowed to go back up to div 6..henley and ingle farm down to div 7 and mawson and angle vale up to div 6

Wasn't glenungas situation a little different being they were offered the chance to go up because Smithfield pulled out of div5?

well to be pedantic we also had paralowie pull out of div 6 as well so whos "pull out" created the offer?

point is SHOC havent rejected it once because they didnt finish in the GF..if you finish in the GF and decide not to go up then it counts as one..

[Bigshow82]

dont think so..where did glenunga finish 2010? they came up..i believe angle vale would be offered if the above scenarios play out..shoc staying in div 7, ingle farm not allowed to go back up to div 6..henley and ingle farm down to div 7 and mawson and angle vale up to div 6

Wasn't glenungas situation a little different being they were offered the chance to go up because Smithfield pulled out of div5?

well to be pedantic we also had paralowie pull out of div 6 as well so whos "pull out" created the offer?

point is SHOC havent rejected it once because they didnt finish in the GF..if you finish in the GF and decide not to go up then it counts as one..

But isnt the jist of the rule about declining promotion that you can only chose to stay down if one of the two teams to be relegated are willing to stay up aslong as they have not exercised there right to stay up in the previous season? So the way I read it was the only way SHOC can stay down is if Henley are willing to stay up? There was no mention of offering 3rd or 4th placed teams the option of promotion in the rule. The times 3rd or 4th placed teams have been given the chance for promotion has been when teams such as Smithfield, Paralowie etc have pulled out of divs above.

[zedman]

dont think so..where did glenunga finish 2010? they came up..i believe angle vale would be offered if the above scenarios play out..shoc staying in div 7, ingle farm not allowed to go back up to div 6..henley and ingle farm down to div 7 and mawson and angle vale up to div 6

Wasn't glenungas situation a little different being they were offered the chance to go up because Smithfield pulled out of div5?

well to be pedantic we also had paralowie pull out of div 6 as well so whos "pull out" created the offer?

point is SHOC havent rejected it once because they didnt finish in the GF..if you finish in the GF and decide not to go up then it counts as one..

But isnt the jist of the rule about declining promotion that you can only chose to stay down if one of the two teams to be relegated are willing to stay up aslong as they have not exercised there right to stay up in the previous season? So the way I read it was the only way SHOC can stay down is if Henley are willing to stay up? There was no mention of offering 3rd or 4th placed teams the option of promotion in the rule. The times 3rd or 4th placed teams have been given the chance for promotion has been when teams such as Smithfield, Paralowie etc have pulled out of divs above.

you can choose to decline promotion once not twice in a row..SHOC if they decide to stay down will count as once..next year if they made the GF they would have to go up..

[Bigshow82]

That is the case Zed but the rule states a club can only decline promotion if one of the 2 teams in the div above that are to be relegated chose to stay up and can only chose to stay up if they have not already exercised that right in the following season.

37.5 Either of the Member Clubs playing off in the Grand Final may choose not to be promoted in the following season provided that such an option has not been exercised by that Member Club in the previous season and that a Member Club occupying either of the lowest two positions on the premiership table at the end of the minor round of matches in the Division above the Member Clubs to be promoted chooses to remain in the same Division for the following season provided such Member Club has not exercised this option in the previous season.

Therefore according to this rule unless Henley are willing to stay up SHOC must go up.

[Executive Member]

That is the case Zed but the rule states a club can only decline promotion if one of the 2 teams in the div above that are to be relegated chose to stay up and can only chose to stay up if they have not already exercised that right in the following season.

37.5 Either of the Member Clubs playing off in the Grand Final may choose not to be promoted in the following season provided that such an option has not been exercised by that Member Club in the previous season and that a Member Club occupying either of the lowest two positions on the premiership table at the end of the minor round of matches in the Division above the Member Clubs to be promoted chooses to remain in the same Division for the following season provided such Member Club has not exercised this option in the previous season.

Therefore according to this rule unless Henley are willing to stay up SHOC must go up.

With your knowledge of the rules Bigshow you would make an excellent Footy Director

[double-blue]

That is the case Zed but the rule states a club can only decline promotion if one of the 2 teams in the div above that are to be relegated chose to stay up and can only chose to stay up if they have not already exercised that right in the following season.

37.5 Either of the Member Clubs playing off in the Grand Final may choose not to be promoted in the following season provided that such an option has not been exercised by that Member Club in the previous season and that a Member Club occupying either of the lowest two positions on the premiership table at the end of the minor round of matches in the Division above the Member Clubs to be promoted chooses to remain in the same Division for the following season provided such Member Club has not exercised this option in the previous season.

Therefore according to this rule unless Henley are willing to stay up SHOC must go up.

With your knowledge of the rules Bigshow you would make an excellent Footy Director

Given it's a C grade side and that there is a team that wants to stay up I would assume common sense prevails (assuming that SHOC decline). It's not like were talking about the upper echelons of the SAAFL or anything.

[Bigshow82]

That is the case Zed but the rule states a club can only decline promotion if one of the 2 teams in the div above that are to be relegated chose to stay up and can only chose to stay up if they have not already exercised that right in the following season.

37.5 Either of the Member Clubs playing off in the Grand Final may choose not to be promoted in the following season provided that such an option has not been exercised by that Member Club in the previous season and that a Member Club occupying either of the lowest two positions on the premiership table at the end of the minor round of matches in the Division above the Member Clubs to be promoted chooses to remain in the same Division for the following season provided such Member Club has not exercised this option in the previous season.

Therefore according to this rule unless Henley are willing to stay up SHOC must go up.

With your knowledge of the rules Bigshow you would make an excellent Footy Director

Given it's a C grade side and that there is a team that wants to stay up I would assume common sense prevails (assuming that SHOC decline). It's not like were talking about the upper echelons of the SAAFL or anything.

How is it "common sense" Double P? Why should the rules be different for Div 7 teams than Div 1 teams? SHOC and therefore every other club that has their C & D grade sides in Div 7 or 6 entered their teams in these divs surely thinking they would be competetive and therefore come under the same rules as a clubs A grade side. If as the rules state Henley want to stay in Div 6 and SHOC want to stay in Div 7 then thats with in the rules and no issues. Surely sticking to the rules that are written is "common sense"

[double-blue]

That is the case Zed but the rule states a club can only decline promotion if one of the 2 teams in the div above that are to be relegated chose to stay up and can only chose to stay up if they have not already exercised that right in the following season.

37.5 Either of the Member Clubs playing off in the Grand Final may choose not to be promoted in the following season provided that such an option has not been exercised by that Member Club in the previous season and that a Member Club occupying either of the lowest two positions on the premiership table at the end of the minor round of matches in the Division above the Member Clubs to be promoted chooses to remain in the same Division for the following season provided such Member Club has not exercised this option in the previous season.

Therefore according to this rule unless Henley are willing to stay up SHOC must go up.

With your knowledge of the rules Bigshow you would make an excellent Footy Director

Given it's a C grade side and that there is a team that wants to stay up I would assume common sense prevails (assuming that SHOC decline). It's not like were talking about the upper echelons of the SAAFL or anything.

How is it "common sense" Double P? Why should the rules be different for Div 7 teams than Div 1 teams? SHOC and therefore every other club that has their C & D grade sides in Div 7 or 6 entered their teams in these divs surely thinking they would be competetive and therefore come under the same rules as a clubs A grade side. If as the rules state Henley want to stay in Div 6 and SHOC want to stay in Div 7 then thats with in the rules and no issues. Surely sticking to the rules that are written is "common sense"

Because I would assume staying within Div6 would be of more benefit to an 'A' grade side than to a C grade side. An A grade side would look at potentially losing players and sponsors if it goes down a division - definitely not the same effect on a C grade side. I wouldn't care if our side went up, but if two clubs are keen to forgo the rule then I can't see how this would be a problem at all.

[woodublieve12]

That is the case Zed but the rule states a club can only decline promotion if one of the 2 teams in the div above that are to be relegated chose to stay up and can only chose to stay up if they have not already exercised that right in the following season.

37.5 Either of the Member Clubs playing off in the Grand Final may choose not to be promoted in the following season provided that such an option has not been exercised by that Member Club in the previous season and that a Member Club occupying either of the lowest two positions on the premiership table at the end of the minor round of matches in the Division above the Member Clubs to be promoted chooses to remain in the same Division for the following season provided such Member Club has not exercised this option in the previous season.

Therefore according to this rule unless Henley are willing to stay up SHOC must go up.

With your knowledge of the rules Bigshow you would make an excellent Footy Director

Given it's a C grade side and that there is a team that wants to stay up I would assume common sense prevails (assuming that SHOC decline). It's not like were talking about the upper echelons of the SAAFL or anything.

no were talking bout a side who is to good to stay in Div7 and should be promoted accordingly... i cant think of 1 good reason why SHOCS should stay were they are... i have alot of time for shocs, but they should not get the option to stay down...

[morell]

Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

[old farmer]

Have it on very good authority that IF have already been informed they are staying in Div 6 for 2012.......As for R Tremain, you all make it sound like tier having to replace Chris Judd. I believe there is a Div 3 player (not from PH) coming home who will easily replace Ryan and for no points (junior)

[White Unicorn]

Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

Examples please Morell.

Bit of a broad sweeping statement there.

[zedman]

they have the option to not go up just like henley did..they are fully within their rights to stay down in div 7 for another year..thats the rule and its not bent or broken..they are a C grade side keep in mind..

IF cannot stay up again..that would mean breaking the rules old farmer..

what a conundrum..

[The Riddler]

Have it on very good authority that IF have already been informed they are staying in Div 6 for 2012.......As for R Tremain, you all make it sound like tier having to replace Chris Judd. I believe there is a Div 3 player (not from PH) coming home who will easily replace Ryan and for no points (junior)

Naylor & Adams returning Old Farmer?

[woodublieve12]

is smithfield coming back into d7??? would that change anything in this div?