SAAFL - Coaching Moves. Reappointments/Resignations. Tell us

[bulldogs]

what happened to wayne meaker at salisbury

[legend]

Heard Wayne is now coaching Nth Pines In Div 7. Cannot confirm.

[smac]

That's a question Salisbury would like answered too bulldogs.

[Felch]

Had a bit to do with Wayne Meaker in the early 90s - good bloke. I heard whispers in the middle of 2006 that he wouldnt be at Salisbury next year. My source told me that he had lost the players respect, even at that early stage. Always hard when a club gets relegated, there has to be a scape goat, and its usually the coach. Havent seen Wayne coach, but i imagine he would be a typical old-fashion coach.

[Newman]

Good morning felch it's me the scape goat. Careful felch you mite be next I can here the white ants marching.

[Felch]

I suppose we could call you 'Exhibit A', hey Newman. How did you know i was thinking of you when i wrote that?

[Newman]

Great minds think alike felch. Certain clubs have a history of White anting during the season and its usually by people who are looking for the club to fold so they can re open under a new name.

[bulldogs]

i no wayne well played a lot of cricket with him. There was a certain little fat bloke who tried to get rid of him during the season. He is certainly passionate about his footy. so smac what have you heard i believe you need to give him another season but thats footy.

[smac]

Not my decision to make bulldogs, but I would have made the same decision given everything I saw for myself and heard from the playing group.

Once the respect of the playing group is lost, so is half the battle. Given the club dropped a division they cannot afford to risk it again. The bloke turned up with no players in tow which always puts a coach on the back foot – no immediate support/respect.

The club worked damn hard to move from div 6 up to div 3 without stopping and then held their ground for a couple of seasons in div 3. This season should have seen the club play a couple of finals and gain some hope for the future. Instead they went backwards.

The coach is always a scapegoat, but often for good reason. If another chance was warranted it may have been granted but in this case it wasn’t warranted.

Hopefully the decision to appoint Hocking is a better choice, but I have my concerns.

[bulldogs]

look smac , the club should of known when they appointed him that there werent any players coming with him. why didnt the club recruit its not all up to the coach.

[smac]

I reckon you have missed my point bulldogs.

If a coach brings players with him then he has players in the playing group who already respect him and his coaching style. It gives him an advantage. Wayne didn't have that and it didn't help his cause.

Additionally, how many coaches go from club to club with no players following? To me, that says something about the coach.

I am not looking at having an argument over it either mate. I am not in any official capacity at Salisbury and have no influence over anyone who is. I am merely a very interested supporter of the club and therefore the clubs best interests are my concern, not Wayne’s, Eddie’s or any other individual.

[bulldogs]

smac im not into arguing over things either, i just feel its a cop out for the club. how come the players who dont respect a coach stay put at a club, what happens when the going gets tough the next year and the players winge do they sack the coach again. this is why some clubs wont make it to the top grade to much power to the players who dont want to work hard to get success.

[bulldogs]

sorry smac another point, i wouldnt want players to come to my club by following the coach, what happens when the coach moves on bye bye players, breed kids who want to play and teach them.

[smac]

I will respond in the order you have posted.

smac im not into arguing over things either, i just feel its a cop out for the club. how come the players who dont respect a coach stay put at a club, what happens when the going gets tough the next year and the players winge do they sack the coach again. this is why some clubs wont make it to the top grade to much power to the players who dont want to work hard to get success.

It all depends on the reason for the coach not earning respect. In this case, his best performances were on a Saturday night at the bar. I wouldn't sack any player who doesn't respect that. They are a bunch of kids who need guidance and a good example. That's why I am worried about the impact Eddie will have on the club. If the players were whinging (and from what I understand it wasn't a big issue with the players, the club itself identified the problem and moved him on).

sorry smac another point, i wouldnt want players to come to my club by following the coach, what happens when the coach moves on bye bye players, breed kids who want to play and teach them.

I reckon any good coach would have players follow him around - each time he changes clubs those players would change a little - some stick around, some different ones leave with him and some would retire. But if he were a good coach, players would follow. If you lose a coach who takes 3-4 A grade footballers, you need a coach to turn up with about the same or you are not getting your full value from him.

I agree that the club need to accept some responsibility for the entire process and I am just as quick to question the club in the event I feel they are on the wrong track. I just reckon in not reappointing Wayne they have done the right thing. Nothing personal against the guy, I don't know him well enough personally to have an opinion on that. But I do know his coaching well enough to know that it isn't right for my club.

[Dogwatcher]

Well said smac.
We went through a similar thing this year.
Understand your point.

[Pag]

smac im not into arguing over things either, i just feel its a cop out for the club. how come the players who dont respect a coach stay put at a club, what happens when the going gets tough the next year and the players winge do they sack the coach again. this is why some clubs wont make it to the top grade to much power to the players who dont want to work hard to get success.

As an A grade footballer at Salisbury, I'll take offence to that.

sorry smac another point, i wouldnt want players to come to my club by following the coach, what happens when the coach moves on bye bye players, breed kids who want to play and teach them.

I would like to think Salisbury is one of the best clubs in the northern suburbs, if not the entire amateur league, at breeding kids for senior football. We've had a strong junior set-up for the last 10 years, countless junior premierships, and we don't pay blokes to play senior footy, therefore our juniors coming through is how our club survives. This year, off the top of my head, there were over 10 guys who played Under 17s footy in '05 that played A Grade in '06, and a few more in the Bs who will become A Grade footballers. I think Falcon Chick will back me up when I say that we would've had one of, if not the, youngest A Grade sides in the whole of the amateur league. So if you're accusing Salisbury of not breeding kids to play A Grade footy, I would strongly disagree with that.

Not meaning to sound like an asshole, just defending my club...

[smac]

We've had a strong junior set-up for the last 10 years...

...Not meaning to sound like an asshole, just defending my club...

Pag, I reckon you do sound like an asshole making statements like that one. It is at least 20 years. What do you reckon Bazz would do if he heard you say that?

[bulldogs]

im sure wayne would of held his own at the bar. take all of the points and yes i do agree with them. now its up to all the young players at salisbury to perform in 2007 and give back to the club that has placed there faith in them. good luck salisbury

[dont think do]

Not wanting to get into the Salisbury issue, but more about the coach bringing players.
If clubs recruit coaches on the the players they can bring then you would be better off just paying the money out for the players.

The clubs that have sucess are the clubs that build, ok you might win a flag by getting a new coach to bring some players along but what is left when they leave?

Clubs that want to get somewhere need to develop a plan which will see the club improve each year, no point winning a flag and going up and not improving when you go up.

[Magpiespower]

Only saw the one Salisbury game this year and the kids were pretty impressive - notched up a good win even they almost kicked themselves out of it in the first half.

But the Thursday night A-Grade training I saw was nothing short of an absolute joke. Reckon the coach had them do about three drills all night and they were from about fifteen years ago. Not much imagination or inspiration, a real drudge.