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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:08 pm

D-Quiche wrote:He'll be alright, he didn't get as many games as I used in my scenario. He probably shows a little more maturity these days.

FC, I had previously looked over the records and I reckon I saw someone had copped ten for abuse. I used worst case scenario.


Probably a repeat offender..
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Q. » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:13 pm

Yup, probably.

I suppose what I'm saying is that what if one out of twenty cases isn't so black and white. I think for such a harsh penalty there should be an avenue for review to at least assess the nature of offences and the potential for recidivism.
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:17 pm

D-Quiche wrote:Yup, probably.

I suppose what I'm saying is that what if one out of twenty cases isn't so black and white. I think for such a harsh penalty there should be an avenue for review to at least assess the nature of offences and the potential for recidivism.


The club can apply to register the said player, and the board will look at each case on its own merits. They may also offer to register the player, but the club would put up a "bail" amount. If the player re-offends the club loses the money. (and the player is banned for life)
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Q. » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:23 pm

I see, thanks.

'Bail' players can look forward to three years of being provoked into offending again :lol:
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:28 pm

D-Quiche wrote:I see, thanks.

'Bail' players can look forward to three years of being provoked into offending again :lol:


Well, yes is the short answer to that but only a players respective club should know how many games each player has been suspended for.
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Hardly_super » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:51 pm

Is the Tribunal in the SAAFL an independant body if not having the ability to dish out a possible De-registration could produce some conflict of interest if those sitting on the panel have intrest in a competing club?

but well done on the initiative i think it sounds like most people would be pulling out the welcome mat for this.
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby The Ash Man » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:54 pm

FC you seem to know alot about this.
Are the SAAFL going to distribute to each club how many games each of their players have previously been suspended for?
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:20 pm

The Ash Man wrote:FC you seem to know alot about this.
Are the SAAFL going to distribute to each club how many games each of their players have previously been suspended for?



It would have been distributed toward the end of last year sometime.. around November I think. There was a whole report on suspensions in each grade broken down into per year, per div etc.. at the end of that report would have been a list of players and their suspensions since 2005.

So it would have given a list not only of who is ineligible, but who is close as well.
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby gothebombers » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:30 pm

talking of tribunals, anyone heard anything on sals west. have they cleaned up..... fc youd prob know a bit on them
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:06 pm

gothebombers wrote:talking of tribunals, anyone heard anything on sals west. have they cleaned up..... fc youd prob know a bit on them



Sorry luv, I've heard nothing, but one can only assume that without the usual suspects they will concentrate more on playing footy. There may still be a couple of leftovers that havent quite made the 12 games yet.

I'll tell you what though, if the tigers are switched on, watch out div 3 because when these blokes actually concentrate on the game, they can play some very damaging football...
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby BigDaddy » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:00 am

found this article online at http://www.messengernorth.com.au/articl ... _news.html

Club ban anger

GREENACRES Football Club is considering appealing a new SA Amateur Football League rule banning violent players, which has forced it to deregister one of its favourite sons.

The league, with the strong support of most clubs, last month decided to deregister players who had received 12 or more suspensions during their career. The ruling was retrospective to 2005.

Twelve footballers already have been deregistered, including Greenacres stalwart Ben Matthews who received his 12th suspension last season, for 15 weeks, for abusing an umpire.

"I'm absolutely disgusted," said Greenacres Football Club president Kevin Magin. "It's OK to bring in a rule and I will abide by that rule but to do something retrospectively is not right. I'm all for getting rid of this stuff (thuggery) but not retrospectively. He's 41 years old, he's got three kids ... he's a great guy. it angers me that he's been affected."SAAFL CEO Mark Shadiac said the new rule was needed to protect players. "The safety of players is paramount and the league has a deliberate strategy to protect players from undisciplined acts that cause harm and injury," Mr Shadiac said.

"Over the past few years SAAFL had concerns about the number of players frequenting the tribunal. The key message is that we're taking action to clean things up."

League president Gino Capogreco said clubs had a right to appeal the deregistration of its players.

"If some clubs think they've been hard done by they can appeal and we'll take their case into consideration," he said. "The system is in place in WA and is working well. We're always looking to improve our footy safety and enjoyment wise."

Gaza Football Club president Trevor Holst said he "absolutely" supported the ban.

"There are some people out there that go around and are pretty vicious and have done some damage to others," Mr Holst said. "I have been with Gaza for 30 years ... I've seen people kicked in the head while they're on the ground helpless. That sort of cowardly behaviour can't be condoned and needs to be rubbed out. I've got nothing against playing good hard footy, but at the end of the day it's got to be fair."

Walkerville Football Club president Andrew Jenkins agreed: "The football field is not the place for thuggery or violence. In past years people have thought when they are on the football field they can get away with anything and that's not the case. It's a positive step."

Gepps Cross Football Club president Graeme Jarrett said he was glad there was an appeals process and supported the ban.
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby zedman » Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:35 am

"including Greenacres stalwart Ben Matthews who received his 12th suspension last season, for 15 weeks, for abusing an umpire."

12th suspension and hes 41 with 3 kids..what an example he must be..give it up buddy..no sympathy here whatsoever..
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Zoolander » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:24 pm

So have these rules now been put into place..... Or is this something that will take a year or two to.......
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:30 pm

Zoolander wrote:So have these rules now been put into place..... Or is this something that will take a year or two to.......


Players have already received letters directly from the amatuers
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Zoolander » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:32 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Zoolander wrote:So have these rules now been put into place..... Or is this something that will take a year or two to.......


Players have already received letters directly from the amatuers


Will be interesting to see what holds up and who slips through the net.... Still it is a really good idea, Hopefully will clean up a few teams..
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby stan » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:41 pm

zedman wrote:"including Greenacres stalwart Ben Matthews who received his 12th suspension last season, for 15 weeks, for abusing an umpire."

12th suspension and hes 41 with 3 kids..what an example he must be..give it up buddy..no sympathy here whatsoever..


I dont have any sympathy either. No matter how bad the umps are we are still plenty of quality umpires short and abusing them will not help.
Read my reply. It is directed at you because you have double standards
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Pag » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:10 pm

BigDaddy wrote:Twelve footballers already have been deregistered, including Greenacres stalwart Ben Matthews who received his 12th suspension last season, for 15 weeks, for abusing an umpire.

12th suspension? Gets 15 weeks for abuse? Surely he can't have a lot to complain about, his record doesn't exact sound squeaky-clean...
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby The Ash Man » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:04 pm

"The league, with the strong support of most clubs, last month decided to deregister players who had received 12 or more suspensions during their career. The ruling was retrospective to 2005."

Is the ruling 12 weeks suspension or 12 suspensions?

I thought it was 12 weeks

The Messenger prob got it wrong as usual :shock:
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby Footy Chick » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:10 pm

has been suspended for a total of 12 or more weeks since 2005..

ie; this could be 1 x 12 week suspension or
6 x 2 week suspensions or
4x3 week suspensions etc..
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Re: new saafl tribunal regulations

Postby The Ash Man » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:13 pm

Falcon Chick wrote:has been suspended for a total of 12 or more weeks since 2005..

ie; this could be 1 x 12 week suspension or
6 x 2 week suspensions or
4x3 week suspensions etc..


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