Play by the Rules

[The Ash Man]

Thats $9k in 1 game if you include B grade??
Surley thats not right
after that they have pay players aswell

I think it is actually $220 per player per season

[Bradman]

to be honest i wouldnt pay players $200 a game...most hang around for a year and go else where to get more...there not true club men...its all about $$$$ not playing for the love of it anymore...and most arent worth that much anyway

I think Ace was referring to thae fact that on average it costs approx $220 per player per game to field a team, not physically paying individual players $200 per game

Not by this

[The Ash Man]

to be honest i wouldnt pay players $200 a game...most hang around for a year and go else where to get more...there not true club men...its all about $$$$ not playing for the love of it anymore...and most arent worth that much anyway

I think Ace was referring to thae fact that on average it costs approx $220 per player per game to field a team, not physically paying individual players $200 per game

Not by this

I know but think the original must have been a typo

[GFP]

If a player plays one or two games and is injured for the remainder of the season, he should not have to pay an entire seasons subs. It seems unfair that he has to pay for utilities he hasn't been using.

[Mythical Creature]

If a player plays one or two games and is injured for the remainder of the season, he should not have to pay an entire seasons subs. It seems unfair that he has to pay for utilities he hasn't been using.

I think you'll find that if a player plays one game then the club has to pay registration fees to the league and insurance. This is the bulk of the cost in our league anyway. Shorts/socks etc get paid by the individual. It is only right that if you play 1 game you pay a full sub as there isn't much difference in cost to the club between 1 game & 15 games.

[GFP]

If a player plays one or two games and is injured for the remainder of the season, he should not have to pay an entire seasons subs. It seems unfair that he has to pay for utilities he hasn't been using.

I think you'll find that if a player plays one game then the club has to pay registration fees to the league and insurance. This is the bulk of the cost in our league anyway. Shorts/socks etc get paid by the individual. It is only right that if you play 1 game you pay a full sub as there isn't much difference in cost to the club between 1 game & 15 games.

So what are the registration fees for one player?

I thought the majority of costs would be for trainers, taping, electricity for oval lights, heating and water costs for showers, umpires on game days, footy jumpers. These things would not be utilised by a player if he was injured for a majority of the season.

[BigDaddy]

The registration fees for the SAAFL is per team, not per player.
If we have a player that only plays a couple of games (which can happen in the D Grade and due to injuries etc.), then we only ask that the player pay $10 per game played. Think that is a pretty fair outcome.

[finn]

we've got a three game with no fee rule then the fees become negiotable depending on the amount of games played.
helps when teams are short.

[aceman]

If a player plays one or two games and is injured for the remainder of the season, he should not have to pay an entire seasons subs. It seems unfair that he has to pay for utilities he hasn't been using.

I think you'll find that if a player plays one game then the club has to pay registration fees to the league and insurance. This is the bulk of the cost in our league anyway. Shorts/socks etc get paid by the individual. It is only right that if you play 1 game you pay a full sub as there isn't much difference in cost to the club between 1 game & 15 games.

So what are the registration fees for one player?

I thought the majority of costs would be for trainers, taping, electricity for oval lights, heating and water costs for showers, umpires on game days, footy jumpers. These things would not be utilised by a player if he was injured for a majority of the season.

Div 1 club with 3 senior teams & U/18 is $14K plus the costs each week of umpires approx $500 plus all the other things mentioned.
If you get your total expenditure for a season and divide that by the number of players you have used it works out at around $220 per player per game.
Obviously then you have to deduct income derived but to put a player on the park without any player payments, $220 is the approx figure.
Cricket works out at even more, about $300 per player.

[GFP]

The registration fees for the SAAFL is per team, not per player.
If we have a player that only plays a couple of games (which can happen in the D Grade and due to injuries etc.), then we only ask that the player pay $10 per game played. Think that is a pretty fair outcome.

That is extremely fair, clubs just need to use some common sense in these situations.

I am personally of the opinion that players should only be required to pay the costs for running a football club that does not pay its players. If a club wants to attract better players through cash incentives, the money should be raised through other means. Unpaid players should not have to subsidise the paying of other players.

[GFP]

If a player plays one or two games and is injured for the remainder of the season, he should not have to pay an entire seasons subs. It seems unfair that he has to pay for utilities he hasn't been using.

I think you'll find that if a player plays one game then the club has to pay registration fees to the league and insurance. This is the bulk of the cost in our league anyway. Shorts/socks etc get paid by the individual. It is only right that if you play 1 game you pay a full sub as there isn't much difference in cost to the club between 1 game & 15 games.

So what are the registration fees for one player?

I thought the majority of costs would be for trainers, taping, electricity for oval lights, heating and water costs for showers, umpires on game days, footy jumpers. These things would not be utilised by a player if he was injured for a majority of the season.

Div 1 club with 3 senior teams & U/18 is $14K plus the costs each week of umpires approx $500 plus all the other things mentioned.
If you get your total expenditure for a season and divide that by the number of players you have used it works out at around $220 per player per game.
Obviously then you have to deduct income derived but to put a player on the park without any player payments, $220 is the approx figure.
Cricket works out at even more, about $300 per player.

Through some simple mathematics, if a player plays 18 games for the season, it will cost $3960 just to put that one player on the park. If a club has 4 teams (3 seniors and 1 u/18), equalling to 84 players on the park each week, it will cost $332,640 for the season.

Does this seem correct?

[The Ash Man]

As stated earlier it is $220 per player per year
i.e the 21 in the A Grade would equate to $4620/yr

[Iron Fist]

I think he means $220 for the whole seaosn not each week!

I think that the best way to deal with subs if a player has only played 2-3 games is divide the normal fees by the amount of rounds and charge him the cost per week for however many games he plays.
This is how it was always worked out for me when I played cricket, because when I played I was only playing 3-4 games cause it was compulsory to play school cricket at the same time!

I also agree, fees should not go up so that the club can atract better players with money
that money should come from other resources! players subs should be used on things they use and need, not having a bloke come to the club on $300 a game that thinks his shit dont stink and isnt a club man!!

[aceman]

As stated earlier it is $220 per player per year
i.e the 21 in the A Grade would equate to $4620/yr

Yeah sorry boys, it's $220.00 per season per player without any player payments just to cover everyday running expenses.

[Dogsbreath]

As stated earlier it is $220 per player per year
i.e the 21 in the A Grade would equate to $4620/yr

Yeah sorry boys, it's $220.00 per season per player without any player payments just to cover everyday running expenses.

Just out of curiosity does that include membership or is that just playing?

[aceman]

As stated earlier it is $220 per player per year
i.e the 21 in the A Grade would equate to $4620/yr

Yeah sorry boys, it's $220.00 per season per player without any player payments just to cover everyday running expenses.

Just out of curiosity does that include membership or is that just playing?

Doggie, the subs are for Seniors $180.00 which also covers membership to Northgate Comm & Sports Club, the parent body.
What I'm saying is that footy expenditure taken into account except 'player /coach payments costs approx $220 per player so the additional $40.00 plus payments for players & coaches has to be raised some way. Only A grade get paid but there are incentives for the 3 other grades and coaches in the higher grades are not cheap either.

[aceman]

The rules of the SAAFL states that if a player is "unfinancial" in any given year, that is, has not paid his subscriptions, a clearance may be refused on those grounds in the following season.

We have a situation where a Div 6 club has applied for a clearance for a player who played 2 B grade games and 3 A grade games in season 2008 and was injured and did not play any further games in the season.
Player was paid for A grade games on a weekly basis minus outstanding money owed for shorts,socks and associated player costs but no deduction was made for subs. This was done in fairness to player because it would have exhausted his funds for those weeks.

When clearance was lodged by club, we refused on the grounds of player being unfinancial and still owing subs for 2008, his new club has lodged a complaint based on the fact "we had the opportunity to deduct subs money" but didn't.

Where in the hell are we heading?

If this complaint is upheld by the SAAFL, we might as well all close our books because refusing a clearance on the grounds of being unfinancial will become like a 'dinosaur', another thing of the past!

We have got off the track a bit so I'm bringing this back for any further comments.

[emerson]

I played for a Div 2 College team and we just payed $5 each game played, handed it to the team manager prior to each game which I hadn't done before I went to that club but thought it was a really good idea. If you play all season it's $90 subs and if you only play 2 or 3 games because of injury, it's $10 or $15 bucks for the year.

[Jimmy_041]

Emo - Am I mistaken or have you just come out as a Pieman?

Plus, bull$hit, the $5 is for the steak sandwich and glass of red after the game!!

SS from Ron T, but I cant remember the guys name that owns the winery, but I sat next to him at the Roaring Lions lunch a couple of years ago

[Q.]

The rules of the SAAFL states that if a player is "unfinancial" in any given year, that is, has not paid his subscriptions, a clearance may be refused on those grounds in the following season.

We have a situation where a Div 6 club has applied for a clearance for a player who played 2 B grade games and 3 A grade games in season 2008 and was injured and did not play any further games in the season.
Player was paid for A grade games on a weekly basis minus outstanding money owed for shorts,socks and associated player costs but no deduction was made for subs. This was done in fairness to player because it would have exhausted his funds for those weeks.

When clearance was lodged by club, we refused on the grounds of player being unfinancial and still owing subs for 2008, his new club has lodged a complaint based on the fact "we had the opportunity to deduct subs money" but didn't.

Where in the hell are we heading?

If this complaint is upheld by the SAAFL, we might as well all close our books because refusing a clearance on the grounds of being unfinancial will become like a 'dinosaur', another thing of the past!

We have got off the track a bit so I'm bringing this back for any further comments.

So it's still not sorted. Can't see Trinity forking out the cash to settle it, although it's probably worth it to secure the services of a player who'd be more than handy in Div 6. Is the player Moss?