New Draft divisions for next year

[Demon Juke]

So what grade would you like to be in? Why don't those complaining do their own gradings.

Ok then, I'll have a crack at it:

C1
Gaza
SPOC
Salis Nth
ROCS
SHOC
Goodwood Saints
Adelaide Uni
Athelstone
Eastern Park
Walkerville

C2
PHOS
Portland
Old Ignatians
Port Districts
Adel Uni
Scotch
Ovingham
Payneham
Pembroke
Kilburn

C3
Adel Uni
Elizabeth
Pultney
Plympton
Hectorville
Kenilworth
Nth Haven
Adel Lutheran
Fitzroy
Woodville Sth

C4
Brahma Lodge
Glenunga
Rosewater
Mawson Lakes
Trinity
Lockleys
Ingle Farm
Blackfriars
CBCOC
Para Hills
Salisbury West

You better get a job on the executive!

[finn]

Just keen to know the thoughts from others on the 1st Draft the SAAFL website. Myself im ok with it. Good to get everyones perspective though?

D8/8R

•Broadview
•Gepps Cross
•PAOC
•Flinders Park
•SMOSH
•Mitcham
•Salisbury
•Hope Valley (new)
•Golden Grove
•Unley (new)
•Seaton (new)

C1

•Gaza
•SPOC
•Adelaide Uni
•Salisbury North
•PHOS
•ROCS
•Ovingham
•North Haven - c2 or c3
•SHOC
•Athelstone

C2

•Adelaide University
•Walkerville c1
•Portland
•Hectorville
•Plympton
•Woodville South
•Adelaide Lutheran
•Fitzroy
•Old Ignatians
•Pooraka

C3

•Eastern Park
•Pembroke
•Adelaide University
•Elizabeth
•Scotch OC
•Kenilworth
•Mawson Lakes
•Salisbury West (new)
•Port Districts
•Payneham

C4

•Para Hills
•CBC
•Pulteney
•Kilburn
•Brahma Lodge
•Trinity
•Lockleys
•Ingle Farm (new)
•Glenunga (new)
•Rosewater (new)
•Blackfriars (new)

I know the executive looked into results for all sides from the introduction of the reflective c gradings before doing any draft divisions and tried to place teams in categories of how many 100 point losses or wins they had had in that time as there had been a massive increase in the amount of shellackings since this time. They also know that clubs want to play triple headers but believe that these can still be organised between the three clubs involved in the two levels - A and B then C grade.

In 2000, Division 8 was run with 6 teams including two A grade sides - wingfield and ovingham so I'd expect div 8 to run with a minimum of 8.

As a personal aside, the median standard of C1 is not that much different to C2 and Ovingham would be competitive in any C grade division; the perceived theory is, that as a standard measure any stand alone A grade side automatically goes into c1. I think this is a good idea so that every existing (or potential) club knows and the League has a policy set in precedence.

Had heard that Goodwood had nominated for div 7 but the drafts from the saafl doesn't have them in div7, div 8 or c1. Curious.

[S Demon]

I noticed goodie saints weren't in div 7, so I just chucked them in C1. I also swapped Athelstone and Ovingham from my original draw as Athelstone seem a bit more established and are coming down from Div7, although I do agree that a club with 1 side should be in C1

[SATCHEL]

Just keen to know the thoughts from others on the 1st Draft the SAAFL website. Myself im ok with it. Good to get everyones perspective though?

D8/8R

•Broadview
•Gepps Cross
•PAOC
•Flinders Park
•SMOSH
•Mitcham
•Salisbury
•Hope Valley (new)
•Golden Grove
•Unley (new)
•Seaton (new)

C1

•Gaza
•SPOC
•Adelaide Uni
•Salisbury North
•PHOS
•ROCS
•Ovingham
•North Haven - c2 or c3
•SHOC
•Athelstone

C2

•Adelaide University
•Walkerville c1
•Portland
•Hectorville
•Plympton
•Woodville South
•Adelaide Lutheran
•Fitzroy
•Old Ignatians
•Pooraka

C3

•Eastern Park
•Pembroke
•Adelaide University
•Elizabeth
•Scotch OC
•Kenilworth
•Mawson Lakes
•Salisbury West (new)
•Port Districts
•Payneham

C4

•Para Hills
•CBC
•Pulteney
•Kilburn
•Brahma Lodge
•Trinity
•Lockleys
•Ingle Farm (new)
•Glenunga (new)
•Rosewater (new)
•Blackfriars (new)

I know the executive looked into results for all sides from the introduction of the reflective c gradings before doing any draft divisions and tried to place teams in categories of how many 100 point losses or wins they had had in that time as there had been a massive increase in the amount of shellackings since this time. They also know that clubs want to play triple headers but believe that these can still be organised between the three clubs involved in the two levels - A and B then C grade.

In 2000, Division 8 was run with 6 teams including two A grade sides - wingfield and ovingham so I'd expect div 8 to run with a minimum of 8.

As a personal aside, the median standard of C1 is not that much different to C2 and Ovingham would be competitive in any C grade division; the perceived theory is, that as a standard measure any stand alone A grade side automatically goes into c1. I think this is a good idea so that every existing (or potential) club knows and the League has a policy set in precedence.

Had heard that Goodwood had nominated for div 7 but the drafts from the saafl doesn't have them in div7, div 8 or c1. Curious.

Agree with everything you have said mate. I can only speak of the teams in Div and 2 as we were in C3 last year and are heading nto Div 2 next year. I think he way it has been drafted by the SAAFL is balanced but again its only my poitn of view. The tally of the 100 pt plus beltings should be one of the main considerations and keeping that in mind this will take a couple years to sort itself out. Its not going to be 100% spot on in the first instance. Some will disagree and thats what the open forum is about plus the meeting in Feb 2012 should iron out some of the creass. I do agree taht North Haven should be in C2 or 3 not C1. Beefy you had some good points but the c2 draft you hvee to have somechanges. We all would like to pick our own draws but having the league and the clubs consult together is the best way IMO.

[Boosh]

So what grade would you like to be in? Why don't those complaining do their own gradings.

Ok then, I'll have a crack at it:

C1
Gaza
SPOC
Salis Nth
ROCS
SHOC
Goodwood Saints
Adelaide Uni
Athelstone
Eastern Park
Walkerville

C2
PHOS
Portland
Old Ignatians
Port Districts
Adel Uni
Scotch
Ovingham
Payneham
Pembroke
Kilburn

C3
Adel Uni
Elizabeth
Pultney
Plympton
Hectorville
Kenilworth
Nth Haven
Adel Lutheran
Fitzroy
Woodville Sth

C4
Brahma Lodge
Glenunga
Rosewater
Mawson Lakes
Trinity
Lockleys
Ingle Farm
Blackfriars
CBCOC
Para Hills
Salisbury West

Fair effort

[The Dark Knight]

Why the hell are North Haven C's above the C-Grade teams from clubs like Walkerville, Portland, Eastern Park, Port Districts etc?!

That's what I want explained!! FFS our C grade will get murdered in C1!

So what grade would you like to be in? Why don't those complaining do their own gradings.

C3 I reckon, SD's reshuffling looks very good, good job mate.

[Bluedemon]

S Demon that looks good, have you emailed that to the executives to give a club's perspective?

[finn]

members of the executive are aware of this site and peruse it to get views of the competition etc - but club delegates still have the important role of presenting the official club view.

[Footy Follower]

In the latest newsletter on the SAAFL site it says "The League in 2012 will be programming most C Grade games as Triple Headers"
How is this possible if your clubs c grade are playing completely different teams to your clubs a and b grade??
Example Athelstone and North Haven C grade sides are currently drafted for the C1 competition. How will they play triple headers when none of the sides in the C1 competition have an A or B grade team in div 3 and 5.

I think the current system is fine and works best for trainers and club volunteers to manage equipment etc.
If the draw stays the same as the draft then you may as well scrap triple headers all together meaning clubs will lose money from smaller crowds and also have to rely on more volunteers / trainers and more equipment so they can be at two different grounds.

I think a few of the arguments on here are similar to a previous thread regarding a div 1 or 2's b grade vs a div 4 or 5 a grade side and how even would it be. I think the same principle exists with the depth of a club coming into it. E.G. There is no way an Adelaide Uni or a Goodwood Saints C grade won't smash a Athelstone or North Haven C grade.

[Bluedemon]

In the latest newsletter on the SAAFL site it says "The League in 2012 will be programming most C Grade games as Triple Headers"
How is this possible if your clubs c grade are playing completely different teams to your clubs a and b grade??
Example Athelstone and North Haven C grade sides are currently drafted for the C1 competition. How will they play triple headers when none of the sides in the C1 competition have an A or B grade team in div 3 and 5.

I think the current system is fine and works best for trainers and club volunteers to manage equipment etc.
If the draw stays the same as the draft then you may as well scrap triple headers all together meaning clubs will lose money from smaller crowds and also have to rely on more volunteers / trainers and more equipment so they can be at two different grounds.

I think a few of the arguments on here are similar to a previous thread regarding a div 1 or 2's b grade vs a div 4 or 5 a grade side and how even would it be. I think the same principle exists with the depth of a club coming into it. E.G. There is no way an Adelaide Uni or a Goodwood Saints C grade won't smash a Athelstone or North Haven C grade.

your club does have the final say on if they do want to play triple headers or not.

[finn]

In the latest newsletter on the SAAFL site it says "The League in 2012 will be programming most C Grade games as Triple Headers"
How is this possible if your clubs c grade are playing completely different teams to your clubs a and b grade??
Example Athelstone and North Haven C grade sides are currently drafted for the C1 competition. How will they play triple headers when none of the sides in the C1 competition have an A or B grade team in div 3 and 5.

I think the current system is fine and works best for trainers and club volunteers to manage equipment etc.
If the draw stays the same as the draft then you may as well scrap triple headers all together meaning clubs will lose money from smaller crowds and also have to rely on more volunteers / trainers and more equipment so they can be at two different grounds.

I think a few of the arguments on here are similar to a previous thread regarding a div 1 or 2's b grade vs a div 4 or 5 a grade side and how even would it be. I think the same principle exists with the depth of a club coming into it. E.G. There is no way an Adelaide Uni or a Goodwood Saints C grade won't smash a Athelstone or North Haven C grade.

Up until last year. athelstone's c grade held their own in div 7 against uni's c grade. i'd expect them to be more than competitive in c1. The triple header argument just means that sides have to talk to another club as well and reverse the order of the games played in that division; which the amateur league is more than happy to accommodate.

[S Demon]

In the latest newsletter on the SAAFL site it says "The League in 2012 will be programming most C Grade games as Triple Headers"
How is this possible if your clubs c grade are playing completely different teams to your clubs a and b grade??
Example Athelstone and North Haven C grade sides are currently drafted for the C1 competition. How will they play triple headers when none of the sides in the C1 competition have an A or B grade team in div 3 and 5.

I think the current system is fine and works best for trainers and club volunteers to manage equipment etc.
If the draw stays the same as the draft then you may as well scrap triple headers all together meaning clubs will lose money from smaller crowds and also have to rely on more volunteers / trainers and more equipment so they can be at two different grounds.

I think a few of the arguments on here are similar to a previous thread regarding a div 1 or 2's b grade vs a div 4 or 5 a grade side and how even would it be. I think the same principle exists with the depth of a club coming into it. E.G. There is no way an Adelaide Uni or a Goodwood Saints C grade won't smash a Athelstone or North Haven C grade.

In the example you have given, Nth Haven could play say Fitzroy in the A's and B's and Athelstone in the C's at home, becoming a "home triple header" for Nth Haven. NH's C grade would then return the favour at Athelstone's ground, making it a "home triple header" for Athelstone, which in theory could work (not taking into account NH's reluctance to play any other time other than 2.15pm)

In theory, it works. But in the example I gave, it would seem quite farcical for NH to NOT just play Fitzroy in all 3 grades and be done with it. If the league want most C grade games to be triple headers, lining up the A, B and C grades of the same clubs wherever possible is just common sense. But, if sense was common...

[woodublieve12]

I just went through the proposed C2 sides. I personally think its very poor set up. Very uneven comp in imo. Even the one you did Roaring Lion puts us in a div out of are depth. The unevenness of the comp is clearly shown by were each side finished past season at the end of the minor round. I’ve only shown the SAAFL’s proposed div.

Adelaide University (6th Side) – 3rd in C4
Walkerville – 8th C2
Portland – 4th C3
Hectorville – 4th C4
Plympton – 4th C5
Woodville South – 5th C5
Adelaide Lutheran – 2nd C5
Fitzroy – 5th C4
Old Ignatians – 5th C2
Pooraka – 7th C3

We can only have 2 triple headers for the year…

You think common sense would prevail before RND 1 and put most of the d4 sides together... If I could do the Div were playing in it would be

* = Div4 club and can have triple headers.



*Hectorville
Adelaide University (6th or 7th Side)
*Elizabeth
*Salisbury West
*Para Hills
*Plympton
*Scotch OC
*Pulteney
Kilburn
North Haven – They don’t even like triple headers so that would work fine.

I reckon this will help out the other divs, and make a lot more sense!!!!

Just my opinion anyways…

[Masha]

I just went through the proposed C2 sides. I personally think its very poor set up. Very uneven comp in imo. Even the one you did Roaring Lion puts us in a div out of are depth. The unevenness of the comp is clearly shown by were each side finished past season at the end of the minor round. I’ve only shown the SAAFL’s proposed div.

Adelaide University (6th Side) – 3rd in C4
Walkerville – 8th C2
Portland – 4th C3
Hectorville – 4th C4
Plympton – 4th C5
Woodville South – 5th C5
Adelaide Lutheran – 2nd C5
Fitzroy – 5th C4
Old Ignatians – 5th C2
Pooraka – 7th C3

We can only have 2 triple headers for the year…

You think common sense would prevail before RND 1 and put most of the d4 sides together... If I could do the Div were playing in it would be

* = Div4 club and can have triple headers.



*Hectorville
Adelaide University (6th or 7th Side)
*Elizabeth
*Salisbury West
*Para Hills
*Plympton
*Scotch OC
*Pulteney
Kilburn
North Haven – They don’t even like triple headers so that would work fine.

I reckon this will help out the other divs, and make a lot more sense!!!!

Just my opinion anyways…

From a Brahma Lodge perspective, it wouldnt matter as we would be in the bottom div going by the past couple years performances, but I think the plan is still to have triple headers, but it may be away playing before the other sides A/B grades, then the following week you follow your A/B's. Meh, I am happy either way. I can see how some clubs are put out by this though.

[Boosh]

How are Hope Valley looking for a D Grade this year? You guys are in a very similar position to us considering where all three grades finished and looking at the possibility of a D Grade.

At this stage we have the numbers but waiting on the League to tell us what division we would be in to see if we have enough resources

[Executive Member]

How are Hope Valley looking for a D Grade this year? You guys are in a very similar position to us considering where all three grades finished and looking at the possibility of a D Grade.

At this stage we have the numbers but waiting on the League to tell us what division we would be in to see if we have enough resources

If you have 4 then you would most likely be put in D8/D8R like all other 4 team sides
That way your C & D Grade would be together each week

[marbles]

Most C graders are aged in their 30s

what old man is gonna enjoy playing a game of footy at 10am on a saturday morning. Let alone be awake be warm and most of all get through it without injury

[marbles]

Also most people couldnt give a rats toss bag about watching the Bs as it is and the only crowd they get is the A graders waiting around for the main game.

The last quarter of the Bs only gets full attention cos the spectators are arriving to watch the As

so wow the Cs are playing before the Bs... Well woop doop im sure the crowds are really gonna flood the stadium... NOT!

Once again the Cs get put out of their comfort zone and cop the blunt end of the stick

note- all this typed up whist on the dunny via mobile phone lol

[D14]

Also most people couldnt give a rats toss bag about watching the Bs as it is and the only crowd they get is the A graders waiting around for the main game.

The last quarter of the Bs only gets full attention cos the spectators are arriving to watch the As

so wow the Cs are playing before the Bs... Well woop doop im sure the crowds are really gonna flood the stadium... NOT!

Once again the Cs get put out of their comfort zone and cop the blunt end of the stick

note- all this typed up whist on the dunny via mobile phone lol

I think it's more about the C grade feeling more like they are a part of the club when they play at the same ground during triple headers and gives the B Grade coach a chance to watch some players he might be thinking about bringing up.

[Mr Beefy]

Also most people couldnt give a rats toss bag about watching the Bs as it is and the only crowd they get is the A graders waiting around for the main game.

The last quarter of the Bs only gets full attention cos the spectators are arriving to watch the As

so wow the Cs are playing before the Bs... Well woop doop im sure the crowds are really gonna flood the stadium... NOT!

Once again the Cs get put out of their comfort zone and cop the blunt end of the stick

note- all this typed up whist on the dunny via mobile phone lol

So its coming out both ends?