SAAFL Div 5 & 5R (2009)

[Lightning McQueen]

Jab, you mentioned the reserves umpire "problem", what is the "problem" you are referring to?

[Jabber]

Jab, you mentioned the reserves umpire "problem", what is the "problem" you are referring to?

I see a few problems:

1. There are SOME cheats out there, we all know it, thats why the league keeps bringing in these ideas like umpiring back halves and umpiring neutral games etc

2. There are SOME bad umpires, who quite often get confused with cheats, these guys arent cheating they just arent very good umpires

3. Emphasis that the game has on umpiring, players/coaches/supporters now, or maybe have alwys done, blame umpires for everything rightly or wrongly, lose a game-the ump cost us, how often do you hear that? you hardly ever hear about the fact that 50 skill errors cost us, its always 10 umpiring descisions. Its the generation were in where its easier to blame someone else. And i'm not an old crank spinning out some 'back in my day' shit, im 27!!!

I know in our club, when we lose its coz them umps were shit, and when we win its coz we played well... Thats just the way it is!!

There are some good umpires, you just dont hear about them, because they do their job, and there are more of them than most people think, people want umpires to stop being one-eyed when judging the game, well people should stop being one-eyed when judging the umpires!

[Lightning McQueen]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

[Jabber]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

[Lance's brother]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

That'll explain why I always think Megan Fox is umpiring then.

[valleys07]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

I agree LM, apart from last sat umpire in the reserves for us, the standard of umps have been pretty good. I do agree jabber with the comment about players 9/10 saying the umps cost them the game. Speaking from a players perspective, the only thing about umps that sh*ts me is when they change their attitude if a player gives them a serve over a decision. Up until about the 3rd qtr last weekend decisions were being paid when they were there. After our ff blew sh*t up the old bloke for a wrong decision WOS got more frees for the remainder of the game than ive had cooked meals. I have been an umpire in previous sports so i know how hard a gig it is (id never umpire footy ever!) but surely changing the course of the game because someone gave you a bath is not on....

now thats just one incident. each player sees things differently. I personally have no probs with an ump if he gets a decision wrong, it happens whether it be because he was in the wrong position or what not, but it is slightly frustrating when the whistle is blown for no reason or when umps try to assert their authority on the game.

In closing tho some players and spectators dont do themselves any justice so it goes both ways.......

[zedman]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

!
we have had a father,son combo( i think they are father son) in the A grade and they perform really well each week when we get them..and our b grade umpire is tony fiore and usually we complain to him that he never ever favours us enough!

[SteveStevens]

I don't think umpiring, at least at this level, has a big enough of an impact to change the outcome (99% of the time). Take Westminster v HV last weekend. A lot of crying and bleating about the umpire, but the better team on of the day won and didn't really look like they were in trouble after taking the ascendancy.

Jabber's point about people looking at umpiring through one-eye is spot on. Coaches and supporters will be the first to go off their rocker if they are on the bad end of an iffy decision, but won't bat an eye lid if they are the beneficiary. You can't have it both ways.

At the end of the day, time spent worrying about the umps is energy wasted - when there is so much about your game that you can control. You can normally who is having a bad day out, not getting much of the ball, because the first thing they do is blame the umps.

[Jabber]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

!
we have had a father,son combo( i think they are father son) in the A grade and they perform really well each week when we get them..and our b grade umpire is tony fiore and usually we complain to him that he never ever favours us enough!

Compliment for you mate.. print it out, frame it, hang it on the wall!!

[Lightning McQueen]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

!
we have had a father,son combo( i think they are father son) in the A grade and they perform really well each week when we get them..and our b grade umpire is tony fiore and usually we complain to him that he never ever favours us enough!

Sorry zed, but I think the son last week gave us a bath.

[Jabber]

have a good weekend guys, good luck everybody

[custardarm]

there are no problems with the b grade umps as i see it, some games id rather b's umps than A's less egos . i was disappointed that the kenilworth ump from previous years wasnt goin around again he was a great ump but the guy u got now is ok . i have only have 1 problem ump and thats our own (eliz) its his first year and hes gettin better early days he couldnt blow his whistle he lost the pea ( plymptonites would agree there 3 frees all day lol) but as far as cheating dont think it happens, even the rosewater guy gave us a few frees and u could have a chat to him this year, i hate those umps who believe u are not even worthy of talking to em . best b grade ump ever i had is definitely LM himself absolute gun and as far as complaining about umps well i did our a grade trials this year and i plan to take it up when i finish playin its quite good fun u have to have thick skin sure but u can still have fun with it . so if we want to change the direction of umpiring a little why dont all us older chaps who have played a heap of footy and know the game give it a crack i will.

[Lightning McQueen]

there are no problems with the b grade umps as i see it, some games id rather b's umps than A's less egos . i was disappointed that the kenilworth ump from previous years wasnt goin around again he was a great ump but the guy u got now is ok . i have only have 1 problem ump and thats our own (eliz) its his first year and hes gettin better early days he couldnt blow his whistle he lost the pea ( plymptonites would agree there 3 frees all day lol) but as far as cheating dont think it happens, even the rosewater guy gave us a few frees and u could have a chat to him this year, i hate those umps who believe u are not even worthy of talking to em . best b grade ump ever i had is definitely LM himself absolute gun and as far as complaining about umps well i did our a grade trials this year and i plan to take it up when i finish playin its quite good fun u have to have thick skin sure but u can still have fun with it . so if we want to change the direction of umpiring a little why dont all us older chaps who have played a heap of footy and know the game give it a crack i will.

Cheers custard, I've had to fill the void again lately, might still be there for the local derby. I think that you'd go pretty well at it when it's time hang up the boots.

[custardarm]

there are no problems with the b grade umps as i see it, some games id rather b's umps than A's less egos . i was disappointed that the kenilworth ump from previous years wasnt goin around again he was a great ump but the guy u got now is ok . i have only have 1 problem ump and thats our own (eliz) its his first year and hes gettin better early days he couldnt blow his whistle he lost the pea ( plymptonites would agree there 3 frees all day lol) but as far as cheating dont think it happens, even the rosewater guy gave us a few frees and u could have a chat to him this year, i hate those umps who believe u are not even worthy of talking to em . best b grade ump ever i had is definitely LM himself absolute gun and as far as complaining about umps well i did our a grade trials this year and i plan to take it up when i finish playin its quite good fun u have to have thick skin sure but u can still have fun with it . so if we want to change the direction of umpiring a little why dont all us older chaps who have played a heap of footy and know the game give it a crack i will.

Cheers custard, I've had to fill the void again lately, might still be there for the local derby. I think that you'd go pretty well at it when it's time hang up the boots.

fitness the major issue lol

[Lightning McQueen]

there are no problems with the b grade umps as i see it, some games id rather b's umps than A's less egos . i was disappointed that the kenilworth ump from previous years wasnt goin around again he was a great ump but the guy u got now is ok . i have only have 1 problem ump and thats our own (eliz) its his first year and hes gettin better early days he couldnt blow his whistle he lost the pea ( plymptonites would agree there 3 frees all day lol) but as far as cheating dont think it happens, even the rosewater guy gave us a few frees and u could have a chat to him this year, i hate those umps who believe u are not even worthy of talking to em . best b grade ump ever i had is definitely LM himself absolute gun and as far as complaining about umps well i did our a grade trials this year and i plan to take it up when i finish playin its quite good fun u have to have thick skin sure but u can still have fun with it . so if we want to change the direction of umpiring a little why dont all us older chaps who have played a heap of footy and know the game give it a crack i will.

Cheers custard, I've had to fill the void again lately, might still be there for the local derby. I think that you'd go pretty well at it when it's time hang up the boots.

fitness the major issue lol

That's where you'll use your head to get in the right spot, you've got away with it for long enough playing It is a prick of a job though.

[The Bartman]

blacks
smithfield
westminster
HV
plympton

Same same

[Dragons]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

I agree LM, apart from last sat umpire in the reserves for us, the standard of umps have been pretty good. I do agree jabber with the comment about players 9/10 saying the umps cost them the game. Speaking from a players perspective, the only thing about umps that sh*ts me is when they change their attitude if a player gives them a serve over a decision. Up until about the 3rd qtr last weekend decisions were being paid when they were there. After our ff blew sh*t up the old bloke for a wrong decision WOS got more frees for the remainder of the game than ive had cooked meals. I have been an umpire in previous sports so i know how hard a gig it is (id never umpire footy ever!) but surely changing the course of the game because someone gave you a bath is not on....

now thats just one incident. each player sees things differently. I personally have no probs with an ump if he gets a decision wrong, it happens whether it be because he was in the wrong position or what not, but it is slightly frustrating when the whistle is blown for no reason or when umps try to assert their authority on the game.

In closing tho some players and spectators dont do themselves any justice so it goes both ways.......

Thought we had covered this already... our club umpire is old and quite frankly very ordinary. He is an ex SAAFL umpire that has no affiliation with us what so ever. We simply struggled to find one so rang the league and this is the result.
There is no way he was cheating last Saturday, simply got a few decisions wrong. In fact I would say that your umpire was the one picking out frees for HV to try to square up the ledger.
Fact of the matter is its D5R footy and while you / we are not prepared to get out there and do the job (presumably better) then we shouldn't criticize.

[zedman]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

!
we have had a father,son combo( i think they are father son) in the A grade and they perform really well each week when we get them..and our b grade umpire is tony fiore and usually we complain to him that he never ever favours us enough!

Sorry zed, but I think the son last week gave us a bath.

that must be why i like him

[zedman]

I think that the div. 5 reserves umpiring has been of a good standard this season. I haven't come across one that I think has been bias.

Yeah like i said there are good ones, and more good than bad, but its also peoples perception, a performance that you think was great/good/acceptable, another person says was crap, it all depends on whether people have the blinkers on... and in my opinion a lot a people, not necessarily on this forum, because most peolpe here seem to be knowledgable about the game (maybe even you zed), but the loud percentage only see what they want to see when it comes to umpiring

!
we have had a father,son combo( i think they are father son) in the A grade and they perform really well each week when we get them..and our b grade umpire is tony fiore and usually we complain to him that he never ever favours us enough!

Compliment for you mate.. print it out, frame it, hang it on the wall!!

now why couldnt i have this luck on tuesday nights lotto

[zedman]

there are no problems with the b grade umps as i see it, some games id rather b's umps than A's less egos . i was disappointed that the kenilworth ump from previous years wasnt goin around again he was a great ump but the guy u got now is ok . i have only have 1 problem ump and thats our own (eliz) its his first year and hes gettin better early days he couldnt blow his whistle he lost the pea ( plymptonites would agree there 3 frees all day lol) but as far as cheating dont think it happens, even the rosewater guy gave us a few frees and u could have a chat to him this year, i hate those umps who believe u are not even worthy of talking to em . best b grade ump ever i had is definitely LM himself absolute gun and as far as complaining about umps well i did our a grade trials this year and i plan to take it up when i finish playin its quite good fun u have to have thick skin sure but u can still have fun with it . so if we want to change the direction of umpiring a little why dont all us older chaps who have played a heap of footy and know the game give it a crack i will.

hes become our team manager..he is a good ump but he couldnt do both jobs..i will pass that on to him