SAAFl Div 6 & 6R (2009)

[zedman]

agree jabber..its to hard and the job doesnt get done properly in most circumstances..especially if the player/coach is a key

kenilworth as well have abandoned that idea..

im sure others will disagree with us..thats footy!

[Jabber]

agree jabber..its to hard and the job doesnt get done properly in most circumstances..especially if the player/coach is a key

kenilworth as well have abandoned that idea..

im sure others will disagree with us..thats footy!

We've agreed on 2 things now i reckon zed, if we can get along then why not the people of palestine and their foes?

We made 2 prelims with playing coaches and the question just has to be asked, if the coach was on the sidelines may he have seen something that could have changed the result?? we'll never know, but you'd want to give your club every possibility, so you'd have to go with a sideline coach.

[zedman]

agree jabber..its to hard and the job doesnt get done properly in most circumstances..especially if the player/coach is a key

kenilworth as well have abandoned that idea..

im sure others will disagree with us..thats footy!

We've agreed on 2 things now i reckon zed, if we can get along then why not the people of palestine and their foes?

We made 2 prelims with playing coaches and the question just has to be asked, if the coach was on the sidelines may he have seen something that could have changed the result?? we'll never know, but you'd want to give your club every possibility, so you'd have to go with a sideline coach.

the sun and moon have aligned jabber

in 2005 in our GF v elizabeth..i have no doubt with a non playing coach we would have changed the result..we were 7 goals to 1 up and lost..shouldnt have happened..wouldnt have happened with a diligent coach on the side..the assistant coach was also in the team..so it was left to a fill in to help out..didnt work

[Jabber]

agree jabber..its to hard and the job doesnt get done properly in most circumstances..especially if the player/coach is a key

kenilworth as well have abandoned that idea..

im sure others will disagree with us..thats footy!

We've agreed on 2 things now i reckon zed, if we can get along then why not the people of palestine and their foes?

We made 2 prelims with playing coaches and the question just has to be asked, if the coach was on the sidelines may he have seen something that could have changed the result?? we'll never know, but you'd want to give your club every possibility, so you'd have to go with a sideline coach.

the sun and moon have aligned jabber

in 2005 in our GF v elizabeth..i have no doubt with a non playing coach we would have changed the result..we were 7 goals to 1 up and lost..shouldnt have happened..wouldnt have happened with a diligent coach on the side..the assistant coach was also in the team..so it was left to a fill in to help out..didnt work

The assistant was playing as well??? who's the bright spark administrator that appointed that dynamic duo?? or did that occur during the season by necessity??

[Browny25]

I think you will find Payney will not play next year.. but we'll see

The player coach thing seems to be working so far...

[Jabber]

I think you will find Payney will not play next year.. but we'll see

The player coach thing seems to be working so far...

Horses for courses i guess, but at Plympton Jeff Winton, Matt Copping (i think it was matt), Paul Harby, Tony Elletson, Gino Pegoraro, Shane Sinclair, all in the last 15 years, none took us to a flag, and the higher the grade the more you would get found out i reckon.

[Q.]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to be a successful playing coach you need a bloody good assistant coach on the sidelines.

[zedman]

agree jabber..its to hard and the job doesnt get done properly in most circumstances..especially if the player/coach is a key

kenilworth as well have abandoned that idea..

im sure others will disagree with us..thats footy!

We've agreed on 2 things now i reckon zed, if we can get along then why not the people of palestine and their foes?

We made 2 prelims with playing coaches and the question just has to be asked, if the coach was on the sidelines may he have seen something that could have changed the result?? we'll never know, but you'd want to give your club every possibility, so you'd have to go with a sideline coach.

the sun and moon have aligned jabber

in 2005 in our GF v elizabeth..i have no doubt with a non playing coach we would have changed the result..we were 7 goals to 1 up and lost..shouldnt have happened..wouldnt have happened with a diligent coach on the side..the assistant coach was also in the team..so it was left to a fill in to help out..didnt work

The assistant was playing as well??? who's the bright spark administrator that appointed that dynamic duo?? or did that occur during the season by necessity??

it just ended up that way..not through design..

[EddieV]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to be a successful playing coach you need a bloody good assistant coach on the sidelines.

Payney has two very good assistant coaches helping him from the side lines.

At the moment it appears to be working quite well.

If you had player coaches in the past and you feel that the coach let you down by being on the field isnt it possible that he was also contributing on the field and that your teams performance could have been even worse if he wasnt on the field?

[Jabber]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to be a successful playing coach you need a bloody good assistant coach on the sidelines.

Payney has two very good assistant coaches helping him from the side lines.

At the moment it appears to be working quite well.

If you had player coaches in the past and you feel that the coach let you down by being on the field isnt it possible that he was also contributing on the field and that your teams performance could have been even worse if he wasnt on the field?

Unless it was the biggest 'one man show' going around then no, i can't see that being the issue, good coaches bring the best out of their players, make key descisions relating to other players, and the requirements at different stages of the game, now maybe in div 6 and below you can get away with it from on the field, don't know, but i will say this, if playing coaches works so well then there would be heaps of them. there aren't.

Now it sounds like down at BL you've got a decent side, so i wouldnt think he'd be all that influential in the whole scheme of things, geez i reckon i read somewhere someone banging on about this BL team being able to keep up with a D1res side, which is highly unbelievable, but from the sound of it you guys are quite good in your div.

So my point is, good coaches make good moves which could add up to, or save, 5-10-15 goals a game, now if he's hampered in his ability to do that by way of playing, then he'd better be a pretty spectacular player...

[Rotter]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

[Jabber]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

No, i'm saying football in general is a faster game than it was 40 years ago which would warrant coaches coaching from the sidelines no matter what the grade/level/league.

It was also a very different game than it is now, not just involving pace.

I umpired a few games last year where 2-3 interchange cards got handed in due to the amount of rotations, tell me how a playing coach is sorting all that out?? or does he just not worry about rotating players through his bench which has appeared to become the norm not just at AFL level over the past couple of years. or does he leave it to the assistants to make the descisions, i know if i was the man in charge and my head was on the chopping block after a loss i'd want to be the man responsible, and not taking the blame for an assistant's error of judgement...

With the possible exception of a lot of country leagues where resources may not always stretch in your town to have a coach of any quality or credential available, coaches should coach from the sidelines.

[zedman]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

i think that goodwood team could coach itself..there will always be exceptions to the rule..who was the last sanfl player/coach and what year?

[Jabber]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

i think that goodwood team could coach itself..there will always be exceptions to the rule..who was the last sanfl player/coach and what year?

Always exceptions, and my views are a very broad generalisation, so don't all the playing coaches out there get your knickers in a twist, i'm sure your all great, its the other ones, the ones that don't read posts on here, there the ones who r no good!!

[Rotter]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

i think that goodwood team could coach itself..there will always be exceptions to the rule..who was the last sanfl player/coach and what year?

Ah so if they win it's to the players credit and if not it's the coach. Now I'm with you.

[Jabber]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

i think that goodwood team could coach itself..there will always be exceptions to the rule..who was the last sanfl player/coach and what year?

Ah so if they win it's to the players credit and if not it's the coach. Now I'm with you.

Look, its just a personal opinion that generally the game is too quick to afford coaches playing on the ground instead of from the bunker.

There will be some that are superb at it im sure, but most these days aren't.

[zedman]

The day of the playing coach is well and truly dead

Playing coaches had their time, back when the game was slower.

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting Division 6 is faster in 2009 than what league football was say 40 years ago when playing coaches were the norm.

I'm sure Trent Mills could mount an argument to contradict your views.

i think that goodwood team could coach itself..there will always be exceptions to the rule..who was the last sanfl player/coach and what year?

Ah so if they win it's to the players credit and if not it's the coach. Now I'm with you.

..thats fine rotter..just answer my question about the last sanfl player/coach ( neville roberts maybe? ) if it works so well how come no-one does it in sanfl, sanfl reserves and afl anymore ?

a coach is only as good as his cattle rotter..you should know that..and goodwoods cattle is first class..good players can coach themselves..the coach just directs the orchestra

[hawkseye]

Matt Loffler did it with West Croydon in 2005 in Div7.

[Rotter]

..thats fine rotter..just answer my question about the last sanfl player/coach ( neville roberts maybe? ) if it works so well how come no-one does it in sanfl, sanfl reserves and afl anymore ?

a coach is only as good as his cattle rotter..you should know that..and goodwoods cattle is first class..good players can coach themselves..the coach just directs the orchestra

What's the relevance of when the last SANFL playing coach was to this discussion? If you remember correctly my query was about the supposed redundancy of playing coaches at Div 6 level as suggested by Jabber and endorsed by you and simply compared it to when playing coaches were more common in league footy.
You still haven't answered my question.

Are you suggesting Division 6 in the SAAFL is equivalent to SANFL coaching demands of a time when playing coaches were in vogue, pretty simple question, if you can't answer it just say so.

[Footy Chick]

I reckon it might have been Malcolm Blight in the mid 80's but don't quote me on that - That's a Spelly question.

Macca was the master playing/coach - not that he does anymore but damn he was good at it when he did.