paralowie - another 1 bites the dust........

[mighty hounds]

On player payments, i have never been paid to play nor been worthy of any payments, but if a club pays players do they have to declare this payment? how many players would then declare thier payment as income? or do they even need to? I used to work a second job on the weekends and had to pay $0.30 in the dollar i think it was or there abouts, this surely would not be any different for a footballer? If they do have to claim and pay tax, are they then able to claim expenses ie boots, rego, travel??

I think if they declare it by a "hobby form' they can earn up to $3K before it's tax deductable and can then claim boots but not travel or rego expenses.

It's cash in hand, no need to claim it. I thought it was only declared a second income if it goes striaght into ur bank account?

[wristwatcher]

PNU came close back in 2004 after our president pilfered over $30K
Obviously Ovingham?

WOW! and what happened to him?

I was told he now drives a Taxi...not in the payneham area. Scumbag!

[S Demon]

On player payments, i have never been paid to play nor been worthy of any payments, but if a club pays players do they have to declare this payment? how many players would then declare thier payment as income? or do they even need to? I used to work a second job on the weekends and had to pay $0.30 in the dollar i think it was or there abouts, this surely would not be any different for a footballer? If they do have to claim and pay tax, are they then able to claim expenses ie boots, rego, travel??

I think if they declare it by a "hobby form' they can earn up to $3K before it's tax deductable and can then claim boots but not travel or rego expenses.

It's cash in hand, no need to claim it. I thought it was only declared a second income if it goes striaght into ur bank account?

I think it's a second income regardless of how it's paid. Whether or not it is "declared" is another issue...

[wristwatcher]

Pretty good question there have been plenty of stories of clubs being close to the wall but trading out.

Burnside Kensington or was that a lack of players?

In a roundabout way Greek Football Club maybe.

BKFC,s $$$ dried up due to some very poor financial decisions and investing money in the wrong places and person. As sucess faded a lot of players did leave but ultimately the club couldnt pay its bills and the doors closed.

[mighty hounds]

On player payments, i have never been paid to play nor been worthy of any payments, but if a club pays players do they have to declare this payment? how many players would then declare thier payment as income? or do they even need to? I used to work a second job on the weekends and had to pay $0.30 in the dollar i think it was or there abouts, this surely would not be any different for a footballer? If they do have to claim and pay tax, are they then able to claim expenses ie boots, rego, travel??

I think if they declare it by a "hobby form' they can earn up to $3K before it's tax deductable and can then claim boots but not travel or rego expenses.

It's cash in hand, no need to claim it. I thought it was only declared a second income if it goes striaght into ur bank account?

I think it's a second income regardless of how it's paid. Whether or not it is "declared" is another issue...

Exactly....No one would be silly enough to declare it and have to pay more tax

[Mr Beefy]

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

[mighty hounds]

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

Did u purposly find the one that had the APFL on it

[Lightning McQueen]

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

It's dated May 04, is that still current?

[TEX07]

On player payments, i have never been paid to play nor been worthy of any payments, but if a club pays players do they have to declare this payment? how many players would then declare thier payment as income? or do they even need to? I used to work a second job on the weekends and had to pay $0.30 in the dollar i think it was or there abouts, this surely would not be any different for a footballer? If they do have to claim and pay tax, are they then able to claim expenses ie boots, rego, travel??

I think if they declare it by a "hobby form' they can earn up to $3K before it's tax deductable and can then claim boots but not travel or rego expenses.

It's cash in hand, no need to claim it. I thought it was only declared a second income if it goes striaght into ur bank account?

I think it's a second income regardless of how it's paid. Whether or not it is "declared" is another issue...

So if a club pays a player and they need to tell the SAAFL that they have paid this due to a salary cap, would they then need to tell the SAAFL who the money goes to?

[Mr Beefy]

There is no salary cap anymore

[Mr Beefy]

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

Did u purposly find the one that had the APFL on it

No, coincidence, I just remembered there was something about it.

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

It's dated May 04, is that still current?

Ask a tax lawyer!

[TEX07]

There is no salary cap anymore

Cool, wasnt sure about that to be honest, cheers.

[X Runna]

No Salary Cap anymore so that doesn't apply.

Heard recently the club is supposed to issue Group Certificates to the player, what the player does with it is up to him.........

[bandar]

There is no salary cap anymore

At the information meeting when the APPS was passed in theory Glenn Rosser said that there would be the APPS and the salary cap. Not sure how many picked it up but it certainly registered with me. Just checked the CFL regs and the salary cap still exists.

[Lightning McQueen]

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

Did u purposly find the one that had the APFL on it

No, coincidence, I just remembered there was something about it.

The link below is about whether umpires have to pay tax, I guess the same rulings could apply to players.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=CLR/CR200448/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=20061129000001

It's dated May 04, is that still current?

Ask a tax lawyer!

It would probably cost me more than I'd make

[morell]

Ah c'mon guys!

So at 3/4 time you're down by a few goals you just throw your hands in the air and give up?

It is absolutely possible to both police and infringe. Nothing will stop the paper bag under the table deals between mates, but I am talking about the now wide spread systematic payment of players all the way down the divisions.

Step 1 - Build a penalty structure
Step 2 - Force all clubs to turn over quarterly financial statements
Step 3 - Hire an auditing/accounting firm
Step 4 - Undertake random audits

How many clubs would risk being booted out the league for the sake of paying a few mercenaries? In todays age of due diligence just doing Step 1 would get rid of a lot of it.

You wont ever rid all of it, but I reckon implementing a few barriers would eradicate a lot of it.

Wouldn't we be better of removing some cancer rather than none?

We have found the answer! Morrell to head up the SAAFL and stop all of the things that have crept into it since inception. Put you self up for the Exec mate, that will give you ample opportunity to put into action the words that you seek to spread which BTW, we don't all necessarily disagree with but we are realists when it comes to some things like players getting paid.

Haha, I would do it for free if I wasn't working full time to pay for the missus' exorbitant lifestyle.

[LMA]

Thinking aloud here mate, but...

What chance of a merger with Smithfield? Obviously Paralowie are without a ground now, but still have a decent player base. A merger could ensure that the histories of both clubs are 'retained'.

Too far away from each other, would be like Pt Districts merging with Ovingham

Because Brisbane and Fitzroy are next door neighbours....

And on a more local note Sturt and North Adelaide were a vote away from merging in the early 90's...

Its not about how close you are, its about keeping history alive!

Yeah and Paralowie and Smithfield are very much like those clubs
It's all about how close you are, most of us play amateur league at a club, more so in the lower grades, either from family and friends connections or that the club being local to your area. Same goes for supporters, I couldn't see a local supporter from Paralowie travelling 15km every home game or vice versa with Smithfield.

[Jabber]

Thinking aloud here mate, but...

What chance of a merger with Smithfield? Obviously Paralowie are without a ground now, but still have a decent player base. A merger could ensure that the histories of both clubs are 'retained'.

Too far away from each other, would be like Pt Districts merging with Ovingham

Because Brisbane and Fitzroy are next door neighbours....

And on a more local note Sturt and North Adelaide were a vote away from merging in the early 90's...

Its not about how close you are, its about keeping history alive!

Yeah and Paralowie and Smithfield are very much like those clubs
It's all about how close you are, most of us play amateur league at a club, more so in the lower grades, either from family and friends connections or that the club being local to your area. Same goes for supporters, I couldn't see a local supporter from Paralowie travelling 15km every home game or vice versa with Smithfield.

I don't give a **** either way, I'm just saying tht if they want to keep the history of the clubs going, then a merger is possible, if not all the players want to go, they can find somewhere else to play.. But at the moment there are two clubs out there that have pretty much collapsed, now they can either peter away, or the two can get together and make something happen...

[valleys07]

It's all about how close you are, most of us play amateur league at a club, more so in the lower grades, either from family and friends connections or that the club being local to your area. Same goes for supporters, I couldn't see a local supporter from Paralowie travelling 15km every home game or vice versa with Smithfield.

Well if most of the blokes want to continue playing then travel may be inevitable....

[Bold Strategy]

On player payments, i have never been paid to play nor been worthy of any payments, but if a club pays players do they have to declare this payment? how many players would then declare thier payment as income? or do they even need to? I used to work a second job on the weekends and had to pay $0.30 in the dollar i think it was or there abouts, this surely would not be any different for a footballer? If they do have to claim and pay tax, are they then able to claim expenses ie boots, rego, travel??

I think if they declare it by a "hobby form' they can earn up to $3K before it's tax deductable and can then claim boots but not travel or rego expenses.

It's cash in hand, no need to claim it. I thought it was only declared a second income if it goes striaght into ur bank account?

I think it's a second income regardless of how it's paid. Whether or not it is "declared" is another issue...

It a hobby so dont have to declare it and it doesnt matter how much u earn! (unless ur an afl player), wen joe hachem won his 1st tournment for $1m he didnt have to declare it.