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The rules of the SAAFL states that if a player is "unfinancial" in any given year, that is, has not paid his subscriptions, a clearance may be refused on those grounds in the following season.

We have a situation where a Div 6 club has applied for a clearance for a player who played 2 B grade games and 3 A grade games in season 2008 and was injured and did not play any further games in the season.
Player was paid for A grade games on a weekly basis minus outstanding money owed for shorts,socks and associated player costs but no deduction was made for subs. This was done in fairness to player because it would have exhausted his funds for those weeks.

When clearance was lodged by club, we refused on the grounds of player being unfinancial and still owing subs for 2008, his new club has lodged a complaint based on the fact "we had the opportunity to deduct subs money" but didn't.

Where in the hell are we heading?

If this complaint is upheld by the SAAFL, we might as well all close our books because refusing a clearance on the grounds of being unfinancial will become like a 'dinosaur', another thing of the past!

How hard can it be to pay one's subs anyway? Unfinancial players really get my goat. Here's a thought, maybe don't go out and get hammered this weekend and use the money to pay off your subs!!!

Quichey wrote:How hard can it be to pay one's subs anyway? Unfinancial players really get my goat. Here's a thought, maybe don't go out and get hammered this weekend and use the money to pay off your subs!!!

Same thing I say every week Q!

What I fail to understand is that clubs offer $$$$ to entice players to come and play for them, they play and get their $$$$ and then eventually want to get cleared to another club. They get refused as they sare unfinancial, how does this work, do you pay a player and still expect him to pay his subs, it sounds a bit ridiculous IMO.

Quichey wrote:How hard can it be to pay one's subs anyway? Unfinancial players really get my goat. Here's a thought, maybe don't go out and get hammered this weekend and use the money to pay off your subs!!!

That would be .... COMMON SENSE!!!

What is more annoying is players who play one or two games at the beginning of the year or the one game wonders, who then disappear then bob up some where else wanting a clearance then get up ste when you refuse their clearance for outstanding fees.

Solution might be from left field but too many teams in the SAAFL and not enough players

Ace, I couldn't agree more. My major irritation is when a player comes up to me in round 2 saying that he can't afford to pay his subs, while drinking his third or fourth bourbon of the night!!
We introduced the 'no pay no play' rule last year and it worked a treat and the majority of the lads were very receptive. Players now start training in November/ December, and are fully aware of when subs are due. Basically a player now has 5 months to save $200 ($135 if you are an apprentice). If they can't do that then sorry, I have no sympathy if you don't get a game due to being unfinancial.

Ace, we will be in the same boat as you with one of our players. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Just waiting for his clearance to come through at the moment.

[quote="BigDaddy"]We introduced the 'no pay no play' rule last year and it worked a treat and the majority of the lads were very receptive. Players now start training in November/ December, and are fully aware of when subs are due.]

We have done this for a number of years now
Half the subs due by Round 1, remainder by Round 9.
No pay, no play

BigDaddy wrote:Ace, I couldn't agree more. My major irritation is when a player comes up to me in round 2 saying that he can't afford to pay his subs, while drinking his third or fourth bourbon of the night!!
We introduced the 'no pay no play' rule last year and it worked a treat and the majority of the lads were very receptive. Players now start training in November/ December, and are fully aware of when subs are due. Basically a player now has 5 months to save $200 ($135 if you are an apprentice). If they can't do that then sorry, I have no sympathy if you don't get a game due to being unfinancial.

Ace, we will be in the same boat as you with one of our players. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Just waiting for his clearance to come through at the moment.

What happens to those who are getting paid??

Lightning McQueen wrote:What I fail to understand is that clubs offer $$$$ to entice players to come and play for them, they play and get their $$$$ and then eventually want to get cleared to another club. They get refused as they sare unfinancial, how does this work, do you pay a player and still expect him to pay his subs, it sounds a bit ridiculous IMO.

All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

aceman wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:What I fail to understand is that clubs offer $$$$ to entice players to come and play for them, they play and get their $$$$ and then eventually want to get cleared to another club. They get refused as they sare unfinancial, how does this work, do you pay a player and still expect him to pay his subs, it sounds a bit ridiculous IMO.

All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

Who is the club involved?

If a said player is paid player then his first match fee his subs are deducted??

Tigers93-94 wrote:

aceman wrote:All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

Who is the club involved?

Trinity perhaps?

Quichey wrote:

Tigers93-94 wrote:

aceman wrote:All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

Who is the club involved?

Trinity perhaps?

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aceman wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:What I fail to understand is that clubs offer $$$$ to entice players to come and play for them, they play and get their $$$$ and then eventually want to get cleared to another club. They get refused as they sare unfinancial, how does this work, do you pay a player and still expect him to pay his subs, it sounds a bit ridiculous IMO.

All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

Ace I notice your fee structure - yet I was told that you have refused a clearance for an U/18 lad to go to Brahma Lodge for $250 how does that work

Tigers93-94 wrote:

aceman wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:What I fail to understand is that clubs offer $$$$ to entice players to come and play for them, they play and get their $$$$ and then eventually want to get cleared to another club. They get refused as they sare unfinancial, how does this work, do you pay a player and still expect him to pay his subs, it sounds a bit ridiculous IMO.

All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

Ace I notice your fee structure - yet I was told that you have refused a clearance for an U/18 lad to go to Brahma Lodge for $250 how does that work

Thanks for asking, this is another nightmare situation where a lad wanted to come to Gepps Cross to play U/18's, we put in a clearance on his behalf to Brahma Lodge and it was refused by Shaun Ryan on the grounds he owed that club $150.00. We spoke with the lad, he agreed to repay us if we paid that money to BL, which we paid via SAAFL.He broke his wrist/arm and didn't play too many games nor did he pay any subs.
Now we have the situation that the lad wants to return to BL, he hasn't paid his subs, we are $150.00 out of pocket and believe that we have every right to expect to recoup the $150.00 plus some of the outstanding subs from 2008.

What do you reckon Brahma Lodge or any other club would do under these circumstances?

aceman wrote:

Tigers93-94 wrote:

aceman wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:What I fail to understand is that clubs offer $$$$ to entice players to come and play for them, they play and get their $$$$ and then eventually want to get cleared to another club. They get refused as they sare unfinancial, how does this work, do you pay a player and still expect him to pay his subs, it sounds a bit ridiculous IMO.

All players are expected to pay subs. Ours are $180 ($160 if paid prior to commencement of season) or $125 if student/apprentice($100 before season commences)

There is not normally a problem as it is deducted weekly or in whatever arrangement is made with the player. Some have it taken out in one hit, others every two or three weeks.
This is an exception but it hilights a problem that exists and will only be compounded if the SAAFL uphold this complaint. We were trying to help this lad by not taking it in one or two hits and this is what happens.
Ah well, I guess that's what they teach them out Gawler way.

Ace I notice your fee structure - yet I was told that you have refused a clearance for an U/18 lad to go to Brahma Lodge for $250 how does that work

Thanks for asking, this is another nightmare situation where a lad wanted to come to Gepps Cross to play U/18's, we put in a clearance on his behalf to Brahma Lodge and it was refused by Shaun Ryan on the grounds he owed that club $150.00. We spoke with the lad, he agreed to repay us if we paid that money to BL, which we paid via SAAFL.He broke his wrist/arm and didn't play too many games nor did he pay any subs.
Now we have the situation that the lad wants to return to BL, he hasn't paid his subs, we are $150.00 out of pocket and believe that we have every right to expect to recoup the $150.00 plus some of the outstanding subs from 2008.

What do you reckon Brahma Lodge or any other club would do under these circumstances?

if thats the whole story then thats very fair
maybe Brahma lodge shoud do the same thing that Gepps did a year earlier!!

whats it cost to have a kick these days $200...bit rich i reckon

f thats the whole story then thats very fair
maybe Brahma lodge shoud do the same thing that Gepps did a year earlier!!


That is the full story, nothing else involved but I think our friend SR may be being a bit smart about this as he tends to be occasionally.
Is it possible that in his capacity as a SAAFL exec member he can manipulate the situation?

jointman wrote:whats it cost to have a kick these days $200...bit rich i reckon

You obviously have no idea of what it costs to run a footy club Jointman, too busy with other alternatives or what?