Points Scheme Vs the Salary Cap

[locky801]

Have heard that the powers to be of the Amateur League are thinking of bringing in some points system and ridding of any type of salary cap. Have heard some discussions about it but dont understand it, what I can pick up though many are not happy about it as they see that it could be the end of a number of clubs. Anyone on here in the know and can put it in black and white and explain it please

[Mr Beefy]

http://www.saafl.asn.au/documents/Nws40-09.pdf

[Dogwatcher]

How will a points system be the end of a club?

Don't be too alarmist - many competitions in the country are working with these systems already and it seems to be working okay.
The RFL has had one for a few years and through the SANFL has tweaked it this year to a slightly new system.
I haven't seen it change too much - it just means clubs have to be smarter about how they do their recruiting.

[locky801]

Simply the wont be able to recruit as heavily decent footballers etc, what is it 15 points allowed each year, evidently one club would have got 44 points last year under this system, appears tyo be a few other bugs in it as well, but time will tell I guess, just wanted some clarification, thanks

[theEMBRYO]

How will a points system be the end of a club?

Don't be too alarmist - many competitions in the country are working with these systems already and it seems to be working okay.
The RFL has had one for a few years and through the SANFL has tweaked it this year to a slightly new system.
I haven't seen it change too much - it just means clubs have to be smarter about how they do their recruiting.

I find that it helps the country leagues closer to Adl then say leagues over the west coast & the lower south east. Not knowing what system the eyre peninsula & far west leagues do, i can i only speak on the Western Border fl in the south-east.

Country leagues in that 100km radius are always going too entice former home grown players alot easier than those outside that. And unless clubs have deep pkts for rex airfares and good renumeration packages to be attractive; prespective players & coaches don't want to move too far away especially w young families & a good paying job in the city. Whilst loyalty and a strong family bond is always a plus within country clubs, leagues like the Barossa, GSFL,SFL, Hills comps, RM & Rvrl fl's are always going to have an advantage in drawing these ex sanfl & saafl top line players.
Yet i still say that the WBfl is superior too those leagues mentioned above minus sanfl & the ammo's.

In short the wbfl has'nt had a salary cap for a number of years now, yet the surrounding minor leagues in the KNTFL & MSEFL still operate under the salary cap. Also the wbfl is unique in that it's affiliated w the sanfl and also the vcfl.

[Pag]

I'll touch on a few of these points, as I had a chat to a member of League Exec about this last week:

The point system will come in, probably in 2011. Each player already playing with a club will be worth 0. Players recruited for the coming season are given a points value based on the highest level league they have played in, and each A Grade side cannot exceed the total points available, which varies depending on the division. Players drop a point in value for each year they spend at a new club until they reach zero (if you're worth 4 in 2011, you'll be worth 3 in 2012 at the same club). Under 18s playing in an A Grade side are worth -1.

I believe each individual player will be able to nominate his junior club on a registration/clearance form, and will have the choice if he played at more than one club. He will also be able to nominate a college should he have attended one with an old-scholars side. (ie someone could be a Payneham and PAOC 'junior' if they played school footy on Saturday and club on Sunday)

Its an easier way to track the recruiting of clubs, and encourages junior development into senior grades. A lot better than the salary cap, which if we're honest, was non-existent anyway. Locky, I'm not sure who you're referring to with a side being worth 44 points, but I doubt any side would even get anywhere close to this, unless the system you're using is different to the one I've been told.

[blackcat]

As long as the points system has an allowance for clubs recruiting within the amateur league. This must be in place to eliminate the raping of lower clubs quality players who recieve no compensation at all. I frustrates the crap out of me when a lower division club puts in time, money and effort into juniors only to see these players picked up on the promise of the almighty dollar as soon as they show promise in the senior grades. I know players should be able to play the highest level of football possible but there would be a lot of clubs higher up if they were able to keep these juniors, and on the other side they would also be a few higher clubs stuggle without the influx of other clubs juniors.

Yes I agree with the points system, but ensure that players who have played at a certain club for a predetermined time or amount of games are worth at least 1 point to another SAAFL club.

[Pag]

I've heard its something like:

AFL: 5 pts
SANFL/WAFL/VFL: 4 pts
SANFL Reserves: 3 pts
Category 1 Leagues (SAAFL Div 1-3, BL&G, Hills Cent, GSFL, APFL, NEFL, WBFL, SGL, NAFA, RFL, YPFL, KNTFL) : 2 pts
Cateogy 2 Leagues (SAAFL Div 4-7, Hills Country, MFL, Riverland Independent, MSEFL and a couple of others): 1 pt

So anyone who moves clubs and plays A Grade will be worth at least one point in their first year. This was only from memory though, don't quote me exactly on the leagues.

[locky801]

Thanks everyone and particularly Pag, has explained alot but I think Blackcat has a very valid point about raping ther lower grades, this is where it could become a huge problem

[The Note Book]

I've heard its something like:

AFL: 5 pts
SANFL/WAFL/VFL: 4 pts
SANFL Reserves: 3 pts
Category 1 Leagues (SAAFL Div 1-3, BL&G, Hills Cent, GSFL, APFL, NEFL, WBFL, SGL, NAFA, RFL, YPFL, KNTFL) : 2 pts
Cateogy 2 Leagues (SAAFL Div 4-7, Hills Country, MFL, Riverland Independent, MSEFL and a couple of others): 1 pt

So anyone who moves clubs and plays A Grade will be worth at least one point in their first year. This was only from memory though, don't quote me exactly on the leagues.

How far out of playing for the above comp's will the points stick? Eg Kenny Mac AFL 2 years ago SANFL last year - is he worth 5 pts or 4 pts or 3 pts (if you look at back end of his last year). Interesting system if goes this way...

[Jimmy_041]

I've heard its something like:

AFL: 5 pts
SANFL/WAFL/VFL: 4 pts
SANFL Reserves: 3 pts
Category 1 Leagues (SAAFL Div 1-3, BL&G, Hills Cent, GSFL, APFL, NEFL, WBFL, SGL, NAFA, RFL, YPFL, KNTFL) : 2 pts
Cateogy 2 Leagues (SAAFL Div 4-7, Hills Country, MFL, Riverland Independent, MSEFL and a couple of others): 1 pt

So anyone who moves clubs and plays A Grade will be worth at least one point in their first year. This was only from memory though, don't quote me exactly on the leagues.

How far out of playing for the above comp's will the points stick? Eg Kenny Mac AFL 2 years ago SANFL last year - is he worth 5 pts or 4 pts or 3 pts (if you look at back end of his last year). Interesting system if goes this way...

I think you will find he played juniors at Henley and so is 0 points - doesnt help answer the question - I know

[bickle]

does the proposed points system mean you can recruit your quota of 15 points for the A grade but still have imports playing B's.
have heard of players getting jobs rather than money to compensate match payments and playing b's.
if you have 4-5 players playing as imports and after a year they minus a point that could be 4-5 points freed up for the player/s playing in the 2's the previous year.
also means they can slot in if A grade imports are injured / suspended.

any idea or opinion on this anyone.

[Mr Beefy]

Yes it's only A Grade that the points quota applies to

[Bum Crack]

We have had the points system up and running for a couple of years now in the Riverland and the major flaw I see with it, is it doesn't have an allowance for the lower clubs for the following season. This puts the bottom teams on the back foot from the start as the top teams from the previous year are getting the same points to play with, which puts the lower teams behind the 8 ball straight away. Do you know if the bottom teams from the previous year will be getting an extra points allowance the following year? If they don't, it could make it a very one sided comp (unless those lower teams can bring in some ex local guns who played their junior footy with the club and will not be worth any points).

[aceman]

Trial only for 2010 in SAAFL. Can be overturned by delegates if not happy at end of 2010 and will probably mean dissaffiliation from the Community Football Board is the only option if that happens.

[shoe boy]

Why a points system or a salary cap??????

[aceman]

Why a points system or a salary cap??????

Salary Cap impossible to monitor and Points system is under the instructions from the Community Football League as per other Country leagues but on 12 months trial.
The SFL, what are they doing in this regard? There was some talk of disaffiliation from the CFB along with a couple of other leagues, this appears to have died a natural death, or has it?

[finn]

what happens if, as people have suggested, imports go into the b grade and imports in the a grade get injured? is it 15 points per season or per game?

[Mr Beefy]

what happens if, as people have suggested, imports go into the b grade and imports in the a grade get injured? is it 15 points per season or per game?

per game

[shoe boy]

Why a points system or a salary cap??????

Salary Cap impossible to monitor and Points system is under the instructions from the Community Football League as per other Country leagues but on 12 months trial.
The SFL, what are they doing in this regard? There was some talk of disaffiliation from the CFB along with a couple of other leagues, this appears to have died a natural death, or has it?

The SFL presidents voted to continue with our system in 2010 against the wishes of the CFB that have reluctantly allowed the SFL to continue with our system for 2010 in conjunction with their proposal and to go the CFB way in 2011.

The dissatisfaction with the CFB is still VERY strong and I believe you will see some strong leadership with a number of high profile leagues in coming months!

My original question is still not answered "WHY THE POINTS SYTEM OR THE SALARY CAP"????