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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby jo172 » Sun May 01, 2016 7:12 pm

Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby heater31 » Sun May 01, 2016 7:16 pm

jo172 wrote:Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?



can't use 5 weeks of 1 season......need at least 2 maybe 3 full seasons to see if there is a pattern emerging
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby jo172 » Sun May 01, 2016 7:40 pm

heater31 wrote:
jo172 wrote:Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?



can't use 5 weeks of 1 season......need at least 2 maybe 3 full seasons to see if there is a pattern emerging


As a fan of statistics i understand your point.

But 4 of the top 5 in D2 also tells a story. If you wait 2-3 years cat may be well out of the bag
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Mr Beefy » Sun May 01, 2016 8:01 pm

heater31 wrote:
jo172 wrote:Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?



can't use 5 weeks of 1 season......need at least 2 maybe 3 full seasons to see if there is a pattern emerging

I think its been in longer than this season.
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Jetters » Sun May 01, 2016 10:39 pm

jo172 wrote:Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?

The clubs with a strong recruiting/junior base (school or juniors) seem to be getting stronger and those that more heavily rely on recruiting a paid side are getting weaker, rather than just college sides getting stronger. A few community clubs have also self destructed over the past few years.

Salisbury Nth are the only club left without a big junior base in Div 1, only Portland and GAZA who at the moment are 9th and 10th in Div 2, same in Div 3 with Gepps and Kilburn.
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Trader » Mon May 02, 2016 12:32 am

jo172 wrote:Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?


Stats are great:
45% of the top 2 divs are Old Cols sides, yet only 30% play div 1 = proof the district clubs have an advantage!
even worse, only 25% of the top 4 sides in the league are college sides!
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon May 02, 2016 12:41 am

The salary cap means nothing when a league side sends players back to an associated Div 1 side with a club legend coaching on the same page.
I'll also get onto the reasons why certain clubs won't join the new SANFL junior structure as well if you want!
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Jetters » Mon May 02, 2016 10:19 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:The salary cap means nothing when a league side sends players back to an associated Div 1 side with a club legend coaching on the same page.
I'll also get onto the reasons why certain clubs won't join the new SANFL junior structure as well if you want!

You not insinuating those clubs would happen to make a few $$ from their rogue age groups are you...
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby jo172 » Mon May 02, 2016 10:48 am

Didn't only one NEMJFA club make the leap? Rouge age groups is also an interesting pejorative term.
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby FOURTH ESTATE » Mon May 02, 2016 1:46 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:The salary cap means nothing when a league side sends players back to an associated Div 1 side with a club legend coaching on the same page.
I'll also get onto the reasons why certain clubs won't join the new SANFL junior structure as well if you want!


Okay Jimbo fill us all in on both topics
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Look Good In Leather » Sun May 08, 2016 12:28 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
jo172 wrote:I understand, I still maintain there should be another clause added to the system where if a junior has played another x games outside the ages of 13 to 18 there is still some benefit.

What number x is is obviously the subject of fair debate, but I wouldn't have thought too many would object to 100?


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The SFL submitted a proposal to remove the age range and count all junior games at the end of last year, this was knocked back.
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon May 09, 2016 11:46 am

jo172 wrote:Five weeks into the season and four of the top five grades being led by Old Colls sides with the fifth only percentage having a side above the second place, Old Colls side.

One year with random results or evidence of a systemic advantage?


Moving on a week, all five divisions led by district sides with three also coming second
Div 1: TTG & PNU
Div 2: Modbury & Scotch
Div 3: Flinders Park & Athelstone
Div 4: Salisbury & Westminster
Div 5: Hectorville & Lockleys

More like evidence of systemic premature ejac..................
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby jo172 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:00 pm

The new sports pulse feature offers some interesting data re APPS.

For example in Round 1 only 1 D1 Team played with more than 10 points (Goodwood with 14).

As far as i Can see Kilburn and Kenilworth are the only clubs using all 15?
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby morell » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:18 pm

Link pls jo
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby The Bedge » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:18 pm

morell wrote:Link pls jo

It's under match centre for each game - click on the 'Player Points' tab.
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:23 pm

jo172 wrote:The new sports pulse feature offers some interesting data re APPS.

For example in Round 1 only 1 D1 Team played with more than 10 points (Goodwood with 14).

As far as i Can see Kilburn and Kenilworth are the only clubs using all 15?

Are the points accurate? I notice a lad that played for Elizabeth, Adam Hann is worth 6 points. Was he recruited from Barcelona FC?
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby morell » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:32 pm

Zartan wrote:
morell wrote:Link pls jo

It's under match centre for each game - click on the 'Player Points' tab.
Well then. That's new.
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby jo172 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:52 pm

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:
jo172 wrote:The new sports pulse feature offers some interesting data re APPS.

For example in Round 1 only 1 D1 Team played with more than 10 points (Goodwood with 14).

As far as i Can see Kilburn and Kenilworth are the only clubs using all 15?

Are the points accurate? I notice a lad that played for Elizabeth, Adam Hann is worth 6 points. Was he recruited from Barcelona FC?


I think they're an accurate representation of what the club has put in. Whether the Clubs are right in assessing their players points value is a different matter.

From the look of one Eastern club they are not.

It does not however seem to like Clubs C Grades playing in D7. Allocates TTG and AU's D7 sides 30 points!
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby jo172 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:18 pm

Brahma using all 15 points as well
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

Postby bandar » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:15 pm

6 points is the default for new players in until the clubs manually change to the correct amount.
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