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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby jo172 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:06 pm

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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Cohiba » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:06 pm

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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:08 pm

Cohiba wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Clubs could enter 2 sides, we could perhaps have a Div 1 Reserves team up against say...........a Div 5 team.


So the suggestion is for the draw to be fixed to suit........rather than a marbles out of a bag draw for a true knockout comp?

Q - Would there be enough Ovals available being on the tail end of the Cricket season.

And as a knockout comp over how many weeks would it be conducted?


Mine was tongue in cheek, it could work if it was split down the middle to some degree. Div 1 through to Div 3 in one comp, the balance in another, logistically it could get difficult but if the games were spread out during the week I'm sure there would be enough suitable venues.

I'd have a ranking system, Highest ranked side vs the lowest ranked side from the previous year and then squeeze it in from there.

I'm of the opinion it would seem more relevant than trial matches seeing that there is a carrot dangled there.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:13 pm

I hate soccer so I don't know how the FA cup draw works.

would it work with our comp in a round about sort of way?
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:18 pm

Footy Chick wrote:I hate soccer so I don't know how the FA cup draw works.

would it work with our comp in a round about sort of way?


Yes, it would be dominated by the top division clubs but I'm sure there would be an upset here and there along the journey.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby HH3 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:19 pm

Cohiba wrote:
HH3 wrote:Could play AFL 9's on a Wednesday night. Wouldn't even be sore the next day.

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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Robb_Stark » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:42 pm

the fixture would have to start around the same time as the cricket finals should be plenty of ovals free up then

im sure clubs would put there hand up to host a few games revenue is always good to bring in before the start of the actual season

an example over friday saturday and sunday you could host about 9 games

2 games friday night
4 games on saturday '
3 games sunday
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Cohiba » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:45 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Cohiba wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Clubs could enter 2 sides, we could perhaps have a Div 1 Reserves team up against say...........a Div 5 team.


So the suggestion is for the draw to be fixed to suit........rather than a marbles out of a bag draw for a true knockout comp?

Q - Would there be enough Ovals available being on the tail end of the Cricket season.

And as a knockout comp over how many weeks would it be conducted?


Mine was tongue in cheek, it could work if it was split down the middle to some degree. Div 1 through to Div 3 in one comp, the balance in another, logistically it could get difficult but if the games were spread out during the week I'm sure there would be enough suitable venues.

I'd have a ranking system, Highest ranked side vs the lowest ranked side from the previous year and then squeeze it in from there.

I'm of the opinion it would seem more relevant than trial matches seeing that there is a carrot dangled there.


I don't disagree with the concept of such a competition, just question the practicality of in the SAAFL......

I don't.... IMO.... believe we have the administrative capacity to organise a preseason comp such as is being suggested.

My scepticism is about how many clubs from an "amateur" competition such as the SAAFL would be truly committed to such a competition, along with the time line and infrastructure needed for this to be accomplished.

The winner would have played about 7 games in a 64 team competition and then have to front up to the season proper.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Pag » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:49 pm

Footy Chick wrote:I hate soccer so I don't know how the FA cup draw works.

would it work with our comp in a round about sort of way?

The draw is done at random after each round, top-flight teams can draw other top-flight teams, but a lot of the top clubs don't tend to play their best sides, much like the SANFL sides in the Foxtel Cup, until they are a better statistical chance at winning the whole thing.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:24 pm

Cohiba wrote:
I don't disagree with the concept of such a competition, just question the practicality of in the SAAFL......

I don't.... IMO.... believe we have the administrative capacity to organise a preseason comp such as is being suggested.

My scepticism is about how many clubs from an "amateur" competition such as the SAAFL would be truly committed to such a competition, along with the time line and infrastructure needed for this to be accomplished.

The winner would have played about 7 games in a 64 team competition and then have to front up to the season proper.


That's why I would divide it down the middle.
32 clubs per conference, t's still 5 games for the finalists though, perhaps squads of 30 and cap it at 20 minute quarters.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:25 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Cohiba wrote:
I don't disagree with the concept of such a competition, just question the practicality of in the SAAFL......

I don't.... IMO.... believe we have the administrative capacity to organise a preseason comp such as is being suggested.

My scepticism is about how many clubs from an "amateur" competition such as the SAAFL would be truly committed to such a competition, along with the time line and infrastructure needed for this to be accomplished.

The winner would have played about 7 games in a 64 team competition and then have to front up to the season proper.


That's why I would divide it down the middle.
32 clubs per conference, t's still 5 games for the finalists though, perhaps squads of 30 and cap it at 20 minute quarters.


Even groups of 16.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby jo172 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:37 pm

Failed Creation wrote:I like where you're coming from, @hillscrow, but I wouldn't mind seeing a 'Champions League' of sorts, where the premiers from select leagues play off in a knockout format.

For example, you could have the Div 1 & 2 premiers from the Channel 9 Adelaide Football League and the premiers of the SFL, GSFL, BL&GFA, APFL, Yorke Peninsula, RMFL etc.

I think 8 teams would be ideal, and play during the pre-season as a warm up to each league's season proper.


For what it's worth this presents similar logistical problems but is a concept I would be far more interested in.
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Failed Creation » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:48 pm

jo172 wrote:
Failed Creation wrote:I like where you're coming from, @hillscrow, but I wouldn't mind seeing a 'Champions League' of sorts, where the premiers from select leagues play off in a knockout format.

For example, you could have the Div 1 & 2 premiers from the Channel 9 Adelaide Football League and the premiers of the SFL, GSFL, BL&GFA, APFL, Yorke Peninsula, RMFL etc.

I think 8 teams would be ideal, and play during the pre-season as a warm up to each league's season proper.


For what it's worth this presents similar logistical problems but is a concept I would be far more interested in.


I suggested the above points because I believe 8 teams would be plenty, and the other leagues mentioned are closest to Adelaide.

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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Cohiba » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:12 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Cohiba wrote:
I don't disagree with the concept of such a competition, just question the practicality of in the SAAFL......

I don't.... IMO.... believe we have the administrative capacity to organise a preseason comp such as is being suggested.

My scepticism is about how many clubs from an "amateur" competition such as the SAAFL would be truly committed to such a competition, along with the time line and infrastructure needed for this to be accomplished.

The winner would have played about 7 games in a 64 team competition and then have to front up to the season proper.


That's why I would divide it down the middle.
32 clubs per conference, t's still 5 games for the finalists though, perhaps squads of 30 and cap it at 20 minute quarters.


Even groups of 16.


Understand what your saying LM.....but my sense is that by either diluting or "dividing" the number of participants you then lose the essence of what a League Knockout Competition is about.....particularly for those on this forum that were trying to resolve comparisons of whether clubs at the top end of one division were competitive with Clubs place at the bottom end of Divisions above them etc. I can't help think if an attempt to get such a competition off the ground it will almost certainly bring a heap of recriminations because more than one participant will feel hard done by the draw....... Have a look at our regular season comp now and the hue an cry that goes on now..... If nothing else its a good talking point.... :)
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Jetters » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:00 pm

Playing a 'lighting carnival' type day in the preseason with teams from 1 or maybe 2 divisions either side may have some merit.

The idea of a random 64 team KO style comp is ludicrous.

If strong clubs play mickey mouse teams... then then the comp is a joke anyway, and the goodwill story of a low div club beating a high div club is a waste of time.

Or if everyone played strong sides, so the comp is legit, MOST games would be 20 or 30 goal games. Who does this help?

If there are 65 clubs, and for example we are the 20th best side, the top 5-10 would beat us by 20 goal and i'd expect us to beat the bottom 30-35 by 20 goal. 50 goal if we got a side in the bottom 10.

The standard is just so varied
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby swingman » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:33 pm

Jetters wrote:Playing a 'lighting carnival' type day in the preseason with teams from 1 or maybe 2 divisions either side may have some merit.

The idea of a random 64 team KO style comp is ludicrous.

If strong clubs play mickey mouse teams... then then the comp is a joke anyway, and the goodwill story of a low div club beating a high div club is a waste of time.

Or if everyone played strong sides, so the comp is legit, MOST games would be 20 or 30 goal games. Who does this help?

If there are 65 clubs, and for example we are the 20th best side, the top 5-10 would beat us by 20 goal and i'd expect us to beat the bottom 30-35 by 20 goal. 50 goal if we got a side in the bottom 10.

The standard is just so varied



Spot on, silly idea and a waste of time.

Goodwood smashed rocs everytime they beat them this year which was 3 out of the 4 games. the average margin for them wins would be around 8 - 10 goals. Good on any lower div club that wants to take them on
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Re: SAAFL Cup - A la FA Cup - Possible or not?

Postby Benchwarmer » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:52 am

Could work in a 20 minute halves concept with multiple matches at venues.

e.g. 3 teams playing each other once (2 games) to get one winner to progress or 4 teams playing KO games to get one winner to progress.

You would need to have 3 games of 20 minute halves in the early rounds to turn 3 into 1 or 4 into 1 - the first round could therefore go from 24 to 8 (3 into 1) or 32 into 8 (4 into 1).

The next round could have 4 teams play KO games to go from 8 to 2 for a Grand Final and you could play that as a 4x20 or 2x20 format?

The comp could well be done by May if started in March/April so it wouldn't affect clubs in the H&A season.
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